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tombogan03884

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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 08:59:23 PM »
18 and 21 should go away and renumber the rest.

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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 10:39:17 PM »
It's not so much that we need a NEW Constitution.........it's just that the ORIGINAL needs about 200 years of added BullSh*t trimmed off of it to get it back in shape again.

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We need to trim about anything that happened after 1900 off.
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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2009, 10:48:49 PM »
We need to trim about anything that happened after 1900 off.
That's from 16 on. The first amendment ratified in the 20th century was the income tax.

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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2009, 10:49:43 PM »
It's not so much that we need a NEW Constitution.........it's just that the ORIGINAL needs about 200 years of added BullSh*t trimmed off of it to get it back in shape again.

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AMEN to that!

If you read the original Bill of Rights, and then read the remaining amendments, look at how the language changed. From 11 to 26, you can't understand them at times. I say that all amendments be written in layman's terms so the average joe can understand it.
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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2009, 06:28:49 AM »
AMEN to that!

If you read the original Bill of Rights, and then read the remaining amendments, look at how the language changed. From 11 to 26, you can't understand them at times. I say that all amendments be written in layman's terms so the average joe can understand it.

Couple of problems with being written in layman's terms...one is you can't be deceived by judges who think laws are not absolute but that a law's meaning and content must change with the times (should reflect the current society's values).  A turning point of which occurred with Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in the Supreme Court who, if not first, most loudly espoused that belief.  My understanding is that Holmes is the turning point when the guidance of Blackstone (absolute interpretations based on actual meanings) began to be phased out.

The other problem with that....let me think about that one.
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Re: Constitutional Convention
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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2009, 10:38:28 AM »
Couple of problems with being written in layman's terms...one is you can't be deceived by judges who think laws are not absolute but that a law's meaning and content must change with the times (should reflect the current society's values).  A turning point of which occurred with Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in the Supreme Court who, if not first, most loudly espoused that belief.  My understanding is that Holmes is the turning point when the guidance of Blackstone (absolute interpretations based on actual meanings) began to be phased out.

The other problem with that....let me think about that one.

Did you know that Oliver Wendall Holmes was a proponent of the same euthanasia laws that Hitler implemented ?

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Re: Constitutional Convention
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2009, 10:56:51 PM »
Did you know that Oliver Wendall Holmes was a proponent of the same euthanasia laws that Hitler implemented ?

I'm not surprised...he was a humanist.  Like Woodrow Wilson.
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