Gun owners with their head in the sand ...

[fightingquaker13]

Fightingquaker, You seem to have lost the [  ]  between quote and comment. 

As I heard Senator Vitter explain it, the permit process would remain the same but ALL CCW states would be required to honor ALL CCW's (National reciprocity, rather than national CCW) Since no 2 states have the same laws the permit holder would be responsible for finding out the laws of the state he was going to.
Hear the same interview I heard here;
http://guntalk.libsyn.com/  03-01 part A

Check out this thread too: http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5499.0/topicseen.html

Let"s see if I can get the  [ ] thing right this time. This sounds good IF it doesn't get loaded up with anti amendments. I also have  a theoretical quandry. While the idea of a national shall issue permit (or its close enough equivelent, via mandatory reciprocity) is something I support, is this a violation of states rights and federalism.? After all conditions in New Jersey and North Dakota are different, should they be allowed to legislate accordingly? (Although I hear there is a dangerous SOB running around with MY assault rifle up there).   I'd be inclined to say  no since the second amendment is federal, but its not an insignificant concern. What about states like Vt. where there is no permit? Would this make it harder to get ccw passed in states like Illinois, New Jersey etc if they have to worry about a bunch of crazed maple syrup addicted, pro-Bartlett yahoos showing up wih unlicensed Howard Dean posters? I mean it is something we have to think about strategically. We can't let the perfect become the enemy of the good, and it seems like the states are doing a pretty good  about working out reciprocity. For me the goal is nation wide "shall issue" I just worry that we are potentially buying a lot of bad unforseen consequences in terms of making it harder to get anti leaning states to pass ccw laws. On the other hand fortune favors the bold. This isn't an opinion, just thinking out loud.
fightinquaker13

[kmitch200]

E Mail I just sent B Hore:

That van parked by your house is just the phone company doing repairs 24/7......

[Ping]

May be a silly question but what is a fudd???

[tombogan03884]

Let them, I've learned a few things for surveillance teams as well over the years. I'm a law abiding citizen with no "odd" talents or jobs, Many people I have known over the years have not been able to say that. 

[Big Frank]

May be a silly question but what is a fudd???

Fudd - Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt.

"See sonny, all those pistols in that cabinet... all thems is good for is killin people." -Example of ignorant comment from a fudd at a local gun shop. See also: Zumbo. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?page=1&term=fudd

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[Thanos]

"See sonny, all those pistols in that cabinet... all thems is good for is killin people." -Example of ignorant comment from a fudd at a local gun shop.

What else are they good for?

[Pathfinder]

What else are they good for?

Shooting targets
- paper plates
- steel plates
- IPSC
- USPSA
- 3-gun
- other

Also for self-defense against predators of the 4- and 3-legged variety, to stop crimes against yourself and your loved ones. All among other things.

You asked a silly question, one that also allows our enemies a foothold. Understand this - Need and purpose are irrelevant. Do you need a library? Do you need 50 brands of toothpaste? Do you need to vote?

More seriously about rights, do you need to talk on this forum? Do you need to go to the Presbyterian Church instead of the Baptist? Do you need your privacy? Do you need not to quarter soldiers in your home?

It is not about need or purpose.

[Hazcat]

Shooting targets
- paper plates
- steel plates
- IPSC
- USPSA
- 3-gun
- other

Also for self-defense against predators of the 4- and 3-legged variety, to stop crimes against yourself and your loved ones. All among other things.

You asked a silly question, one that also allows our enemies a foothold. Understand this - Need and purpose are irrelevant. Do you need a library? Do you need 50 brands of toothpaste? Do you need to vote?

More seriously about rights, do you need to talk on this forum? Do you need to go to the Presbyterian Church instead of the Baptist? Do you need your privacy? Do you need not to quarter soldiers in your home?

It is not about need or purpose.

Old people with a cane?   

[tumblebug]

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[tombogan03884]

Shooting targets
- paper plates
- steel plates
- IPSC
- USPSA
- 3-gun
- other

Also for self-defense against predators of the 4- and 3-legged variety, to stop crimes against yourself and your loved ones. All among other things.

You asked a silly question, one that also allows our enemies a foothold. Understand this - Need and purpose are irrelevant. Do you need a library? Do you need 50 brands of toothpaste? Do you need to vote?

More seriously about rights, do you need to talk on this forum? Do you need to go to the Presbyterian Church instead of the Baptist? Do you need your privacy? Do you need not to quarter soldiers in your home?

It is not about need or purpose.

Sometimes YES     If I said some of these things in a more mixed crowd I would be lynched and my grave would be desacrated