We’re Living in ‘Atlas Shrugged’

[Pathfinder]

Reply to Fightingquaker,
 I'm not conservative on social matters, I think abortion is a medical procedure, if you NEED one you need it just like a bypass.On defense and the economy I am VERY conservative, as to your comment "though God knows what means these days because if you have a formula for recovery you're ahead me and every one else" It's really pretty simple.
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Now, THAT is libertarian. Excellent summation, and a set of policies I could get behind. You did forget backing currency with some sort of valuable, like gold again.

The main problem I see is a lot of us here are "older", and the real crises won't hit for some time, 10 years or more as stockpiles of food and whatnot run out. With bho and the commies in charge for most of that time (he'll steal the next election, although the way the Repubbies are acting under Steele's appalling lack of leadership, they may just give it to him) this country will be in dire shape, far worse (if you can even imagine it) than things are going now. I cannot imagine being in my seventies and living in a country run by the like of bho and whoever follows him - assuming he leaves after 2 terms. Nothing like a good crisis to repeal that pesky amendment limiting the Pres to 2 terms. Four terms were good enough for a socialist like FDR, 4 or more will be just the ticket for a commie like bho. President for life, ala Chanvez? And Stalin? And Mao? And...and...and...

Sad times, but, God willing, one last chance to turn this country back around when people's eyes are finally opened. Let's hope it's not too late.

[Rastus]

I'm with you Pathfinder.  And Tom I appreciate how you remember things when my focus is on something else...yes we are here because of the late 90's rush to relax credit.  Eric Raines (remember that name lately) said it was a great thing to relax the credit...he was head of Fannie Mae at the time, steered into nothingness and now sits at the right hand of BHO the coming failure.  Tom, ever our historian of recent events...very good...and to add to that it was the Democrats who pushed for the changes to relax credit because of racially predatory lending practices...started coming up at the end of the Clinton era, Bush let it sail right through.  This economic failure was called, people said the one's with perception were wrong; it was predicted that we would see government bail out those people with the workers money...they were called silly and foolish; now the chickens have come to roost and the prophecies fulfilled.

Abortion is a medical procedure, it kills a child. 

[tombogan03884]

"You did forget backing currency with some sort of valuable, like gold again."
Actually Path I HAVE been thinking about that, the problem is volume, Say we peg the dollar at its original value of one silver ounce, and allow each citizen to convert $1000. That would require a reserve of 300,000,000,000 ounces or 757580 TONS of silver. Where would we get that much silver, I don't know if the entire world output has totaled that much, and that does not allow for economic growth, just passing the same money around, I start to see why the decided to go with the funny money.

I'm not a doctor but I have heard Dr.'s say that sometimes an abortion, like any other medical procedure, is necessary.
As to the pro choice demand for so called "abortion on demand", well, replace the word "abortion" with the word "bypass" or "amputation" and the ludicrousness of the issue becomes clear. This is a smoke screen issue designed to distract your attention from the F$#@ing you are getting on some other issue. 

[metamurph]

I believe that we have as much (more actually) right to control our own bodies as we do to defend them. This means that I am as serious about pro-choice issues as I am about second amendment ones, which is to say, damn serious. Vote for a (mostly) pro-gun candidate who tries to limit political speech and makes that his signature issue and is anti-choice; or a pro-choice candidate who is anti-gun, but has never run on it or made it a priority, and will be severly hobbled by a Democratic Senate that needs its pro-gun blue dogs? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and (as I am sure the comments will prove) damned by all and sundry either way. Such is the fate of a Libertarian. Oh well, we knew the job was dangerous when we took it.
fightingquaker13  

Yes, single issue voting creates a challenge when in reality there are many issues we care about and the majority of politicians blend a mixture of positions designed to help them capture enough votes.  Part of that challenge is that government as a whole has stepped far over its boundaries to bring fairness and compliance to the world and beyond this "everyone likes a good deal". 

I find your balance of pro-choice and 2nd amendment interesting.  One is about an self evident right

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

My issue with pro-choice is you are taking away the rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness from one.  I realize that not all pregnancies are "elective" but it is the VAST majority with US study finding 1.5% of abortions due to rape or incest.  I don't believe this is about choice.  A choice has already been made and now we are unwilling to live with the consequence.  In general we are unwilling in this era to live with the consequences of our choices.  With freedom comes choice, with choice comes accountability. 

[PegLeg45]

Yes, single issue voting creates a challenge when in reality there are many issues we care about and the majority of politicians blend a mixture of positions designed to help them capture enough votes.  Part of that challenge is that government as a whole has stepped far over its boundaries to bring fairness and compliance to the world and beyond this "everyone likes a good deal". 

I find your balance of pro-choice and 2nd amendment interesting.  One is about an self evident rightMy issue with pro-choice is you are taking away the rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness from one.  I realize that not all pregnancies are "elective" but it is the VAST majority with US study finding 1.5% of abortions due to rape or incest.  I don't believe this is about choice.  A choice has already been made and now we are unwilling to live with the consequence.  In general we are unwilling in this era to live with the consequences of our choices.  With freedom comes choice, with choice comes accountability. 

That is one of the biggest problems in current society, and one that has escalated over the last few generations. Too many people don't think that they should be held accountable or have to pay the consequences for their own poor choices and bad decision making.


***EDIT: went back and added 'their own' for clarification.
PegLeg

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[tombogan03884]

That is one of the biggest problems in current society, and one that has escalated over the last few generations. Too many people don't think that they should be held accountable or have to pay the consequences for poor choices and bad decision making.

That's the root cause of my dispute with fightingquaker about "mandatory skill training" for CCW, Making yet another rule only addresses the symptom with out looking at the actual cause. 20,000 gun laws alone, and that's just one thing, the sheeple want a law so they don't have to think, It's not MY fault, it's our zero tolerance policy.
Driving with cell phones, basically states are having to pass "distracted driving" laws because " It's not MY fault I (ran the redlight,  killed the pedestrian, rearended that car etc.) I was on the phone".


"Yes, single issue voting creates a challenge when in reality there are many issues we care about and the majority of politicians blend a mixture of positions designed to help them capture enough votes. "


This is another simple one, the only issue that matters is gun rights. If the candidate doesn't trust citizens with guns then he either has a guilty conscience or he doesn't trust you, either way you don't want to vote for him. And if they DO take our guns then all our other rights exist at the whim of the masses. Free speech ? Life and liberty ? It's all at the whim of the power.