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[VinBea]

Alex Jones lives right here in Austin.  I do not believe him.  He is a kook.

I do not know Alan Stang, Devvy Kidd, Dennis Cuddy.  Why should I believe them?

Are they scholars, degreed historians, soldiers, working men or conspiracy theorists?

Insults about keeping things simple do not help you win your points.

long762range, I, for one, wholly understand your sediments - in that I at one time thought the same regarding Alex Jones; but I consider myself having grown up after having been studying this stuff the past 25 years - and Alex Jones is no nut (that's for sure...) and is trying to stand in the gap informing as many as will listen that what's befalling America is being done on purpose and is being done by design; believe it not at your own peril...

You don't know Alan Stang or Devvy Kidd or Dennis Cuddy - that's not my fault either; I'm just a messenger trying to support what I understand to be worthy causes; such causes as our Constitutional Republic - not a democracy...we all being under the same set of rules and laws to include the president past and present...accountability for crimes not wanting to fudge and mesh things into areas of gray where the Obamas and Bushes also like to operate from: areas of gray - the more gray the more confusion goes without saying...

You don't like Alex Jones; or know about those other writers? What about Sheriff Richard Mack out of Arizona? http://constitutionallawenforcementassoc.blogspot.com/, what about Pintz out of Montana? Ron Paul? Chuck Baldwin? And so many others? There's information out there that communicates in big bold letters that America is going to be taken down and taken down hard unless the American people unite around the 'truth' and kick what's going on out of Washington DC, out figuratively/literally...communism being like 'lust' or any of the 'so-called-7-deadly-sins' in that it will not stop unless confronted for what it is and made to step down...

[fightingquaker13]

You set up a straw dog.  Who are these people?  They do not exist.

You are preparing yourself up to become a murderer.  Is that what you want?

Actually, the're setting themselves up to be road kill. When the fictional UN swat team kicks in the door with their mp5s and body armor I'm coming along quietly, unless I decide that suicide by cop is a better option. Fortuneatly Its not a choice I have to make as the UN conspiracy stuff started about the same the UN did, then it served the commies of course, now its the NWO whover they are. Its exactly the same script just different names for the bad guys. As I told Phil on another post there's just something about America that makes our wingnuts love a good conspiracy theory.
fightingquaker13
PS These "international banker" wouldn't happen to jewish by any chance? 

[VinBea]

Actually, the're setting themselves up to be road kill. When the fictional UN swat team kicks in the door with their mp5s and body armor I'm coming along quietly, unless I decide that suicide by cop is a better option. Fortuneatly Its not a choice I have to make as the UN conspiracy stuff started about the same the UN did, then it served the commies of course, now its the NWO whover they are. Its exactly the same script just different names for the bad guys. As I told Phil on another post there's just something about America that makes our wingnuts love a good conspiracy theory.
fightingquaker13
PS These "international banker" wouldn't happen to jewish by any chance? 

Ohh yeah, I'm not only one of them there wingnuts (actually I'm a Constitutional Republican supporter - Go Chuck Baldwin - types), and am also a Jesus freak and dang proud of it too...Jesus being the 'Truth' in the truest sense of that word, hates lies and deception every bit as much as I do...

And no, it's not a Jewish thing here or a Gentile thing there - it's a human race against powerful people thing (those pulling strings via their power and wealth have Jewish, Gentile, and Christian names just as all the collateral damage these individuals will cause those of us who are not powerful wealthy who have our own Jewish, Gentile, and Christian names to think about...

There use to be a saying better dead than red; and everyone knew what that meant - now, it doesn't mean anything and you have the gall to then poop-poo this as conspiracy theories....emotionally driven folks will always knee-jerk react by what they see or hear (empirically speaking) rather than based on facts. Just check out that Katrina mess - or the following that's following the anointed full of baloney from Kenya 'one' and tell me those folks aren't emotionally driven at the least; brainwashed/braindead at the most!

[long762range]

Actually, the're setting themselves up to be road kill. When the fictional UN swat team kicks in the door with their mp5s and body armor I'm coming along quietly, unless I decide that suicide by cop is a better option. Fortuneatly Its not a choice I have to make as the UN conspiracy stuff started about the same the UN did, then it served the commies of course, now its the NWO whover they are. Its exactly the same script just different names for the bad guys. As I told Phil on another post there's just something about America that makes our wingnuts love a good conspiracy theory.
fightingquaker13
PS These "international banker" wouldn't happen to jewish by any chance? 

You forgot the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Bilderberg Group,  Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 1001 Club,  Le Cercle, the Pilgrims Society,  the Committee of 300, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Apollo moon landings.

[VinBea]

You forgot the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Bilderberg Group,  Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 1001 Club,  Le Cercle, the Pilgrims Society,  the Committee of 300, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Apollo moon landings.

You left out one: Queen of England...

[Sponsor]

[Thanos]

You forgot the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Bilderberg Group,  Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 1001 Club,  Le Cercle, the Pilgrims Society,  the Committee of 300, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Apollo moon landings.

Wow, you must be a total freaking idiot to think that there are not any people who would want to do harm to America.
Here is a list for you. Oh, and in case you think they are all just conspiracy theories try looking some up.
The Warsaw Pact
China
Russia
Iran
North Korea
Syria
Taliban
Al-Queda (I see so many different spellings for this one)
Islamic Jihad
Hamas
Fatah
Palistinian Liberation Organization
Baath Party
...


Now, to point out the obvious to your myopic little mind, name one orginization that sends money to all these groups that would like to see the United States gone. I will give you a hint: it starts with "U" and ends with "nited Nations."

I don't believe that everyone is out to start a new world order or a north american union, but I am not stupid enough to think that legitimate organizations such as the UN are looking out for US interests.
So punk with an MP5 and a blue beret comes knocking on my door? What do you think I should do?

(I know this is a unrealistic scenerio in you mind, but so was the SS in the minds of German jews in 1938)

[long762range]

All those ARE bad guys and many, many more.  The UN to me is like the bar scene in Star Wars "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.  But just because it is a corrupt organization it does not mean that they are going to ocupy us.  I believe that if we participate in our countrys politics we can turn things around.

[VinBea]

Bottom line insofar as I am concerned is, we started out a Constitutional Republic - one nation under God - and we have evolved over many years into a socialized democracy in which the Federal Government out of Washington enact laws while the 50 states administrates the wishes of the feds regardless of what the 9th and 10th amendments (or what each state's own Constitution) has to say about what powers Washington DC actually has verses what it doesn't have...America isn't the Federal Government with 50 states - America is 50 sovereign independent countries united to become the United States of America -- and why wouldn't the Fed out of DC not want to flip the whole facts upside down? Flipping it upside down empowers Washington DC while doing very little for the individuals within the individual 50 states accept entices them and gets them hooked on subsidizes to be manipulated by Washington DC later on down the road...name a state refusing the 'hook', funds by the feds at tax payer expense? There's none because just as with welfare recipients (and the gov out of DC knows this) most states are hooked and dependent upon those funds; followed by the feds dictating policy with the admonition of: 'or else...' btw, fed out of DC does the same thing with nations it subsidizes at tax payers expense.

There's some 1000 various Tea Parties going on from coast to coast in America over the banker bailouts at tax payers expense (same tax payers footing the bill for the UN; and every other expansion going on) - so which of these Tea Parties are delusional? Perhaps if such members listened to folks like you, they might be better off staying home and watching Fred Flinstone cartoons...perhaps Oprah...desperate wifes...anything but the reality we're losing our country virtually over night.

As I'd said before - the mind really is a horrible thing to waste - most particularly when one wakes up and realizes there's literally no difference between the democrats and the republicans -- both working their respective role within the context of the dialectic that keeps this nation divided for their good and our hurt.

[long762range]

"Perhaps if such members listened to folks like you, they might be better off staying home and watching Fred Flinstone cartoons...perhaps Oprah...desperate wifes...anything but the reality we're losing our country virtually over night."

As I said, insults do not make your point.  Just because someone does not agree with all you say does not make them stupid or asleep.  Our county does have serious problems but not problems that cannot be overcome by involvement in the political system.

If we withdraw from the process then our country will become just another socialist state like those in Europe. 

If we participate, run for office, get to know our representatives personally, tell them what we think, then we can cause the turn around to occur.

The stuggle will not short but our country is worth the effort.

[VinBea]

"Perhaps if such members listened to folks like you, they might be better off staying home and watching Fred Flinstone cartoons...perhaps Oprah...desperate wifes...anything but the reality we're losing our country virtually over night."

As I said, insults do not make your point.  Just because someone does not agree with all you say does not make them stupid or asleep.  Our county does have serious problems but not problems that cannot be overcome by involvement in the political system.

If we withdraw from the process then our country will become just another socialist state like those in Europe. 

If we participate, run for office, get to know our representatives personally, tell them what we think, then we can cause the turn around to occur.



The stuggle will not short but our country is worth the effort.

I agree, as I'm sure everyone on these forums would that this nation is worth the effort...and you are also right insofar as insults are concerned imo...as long as it is also noted that bombarding capital switch-boards, congressmen/women senators only goes so far (after all, there is a total, if not complete disconnect that now exists between the American people with those representing them in DC) as the last 6 presidents (and congresses regardless of democrat or republican) has proven now, more times than not, has been a waste of time...

I agree with Chuck Baldwin, among others, who believe the answer to what is making America sick today is empowering and/or encouraging states to take hold of their 9th and 10th amendment rights as the real power and authority, and to stop kowtowing to the socialists now ruling out of DC...also, Alan Stang indicates the most power individual in any county in the United States, even more powerful than any president, is the county sheriff; which I also agree with...