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OATH KEEPERS
« on: March 09, 2009, 12:12:15 PM »
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, and veterans
who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President, and that oath will be kept. We won’t “just follow orders."

Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason.

We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.

Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects - such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “State of Emergency” on a State, or to enter with force into a State, without the express consent and invitation of that State’s legislature and Governor.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any State that asserts its sovereignty and declares the National government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

More About Oath Keepers

Oath Keepers is a non partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, and peace officers who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President, not to Congress, and not to any political party. In the long-standing tradition of the U.S. military, we are apolitical. We don’t care if unlawful orders come from a Democrat or a Republican, or if the violation is bi-partisan. We will not obey unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law. We won’t “just follow orders." Our motto: “Not on Our Watch!”

There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But many others do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution and to the people, and understand what that means.

The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers.

We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops. Help us win it.

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Re: OATH KEEPERS
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 11:34:06 PM »

WATCH - VERY INTERESTING!
 
This is the 10th Amendment (enumerated powers) stuff that has been discussed recently on Glenn Beck (4:00 Fox News Channel 39) and on his radio show (98.1 AM dial from 9:00 - 11:00 in the morning).  If you ever have a chance to catch it, you will be hooked!  This may be the only thing that digs us out of the Socialist hole that's being dug for
 
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 11:47:42 PM »
Thats nice M'lette, but didn't we have this argument in 1861? As far as gun control, don't much care for it. But, I also am not so much for Sheriffs deciding which laws to enforce as long as we have a free press and free elections. Minus either of those two (ala Venezuela) all bets are off.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 11:55:09 PM »
Well.. whatever floats your boat FQ.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 12:06:28 AM »
Well.. whatever floats your boat FQ.
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Re: OATH KEEPERS
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 06:48:08 AM »
Thats nice M'lette, but didn't we have this argument in 1861? As far as gun control, don't much care for it. But, I also am not so much for Sheriffs deciding which laws to enforce as long as we have a free press and free elections. Minus either of those two (ala Venezuela) all bets are off.
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Geez, just as you post some rational thoughts elsewhere, you live up (down?) to our expectations here.

Did we have this argument in 1861? Yes, and it was there that the 10th Amendment was dealt a serious blow. It is precisely because of the Civil War that we are now faced with so much Federal intrusion into every aspect of life. Sucks don't it?

Such wonderful institutions like the IRS that Mack mentioned, Dept. Ed., DHS and others controlling everything from how your cars are built to the "facts" your children are taught. And you have virtually no say in any of it. So much for a representative democracy. As Congress has clearly shown, they will do what they want and the vast majority of this country can go pound dirt for all they care.

The Bill of Rights was put there for a reason. It is only smart college professors like you that cannot see it.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 11:19:57 AM »
Geez, just as you post some rational thoughts elsewhere, you live up (down?) to our expectations here.

Did we have this argument in 1861? Yes, and it was there that the 10th Amendment was dealt a serious blow. It is precisely because of the Civil War that we are now faced with so much Federal intrusion into every aspect of life. Sucks don't it?

Such wonderful institutions like the IRS that Mack mentioned, Dept. Ed., DHS and others controlling everything from how your cars are built to the "facts" your children are taught. And you have virtually no say in any of it. So much for a representative democracy. As Congress has clearly shown, they will do what they want and the vast majority of this country can go pound dirt for all they care.

The Bill of Rights was put there for a reason. It is only smart college professors like you that cannot see it.

Look Path, I think I may have not made my point as clearly as I should. I am more a fan of the 9th tha the 10th, but both are important. What bothered me about M'lettes video clip was the idea of individual Sherrifs not obeying the law if they so chose. You'll recall that the police chief in DC is doing that in regards to issuing gun permits. Likewise the police chief in (I think it was Milwaukee) is not complying with the AGs opinion allowiing open carry. I respect LEOs, but I damn sure don't trust them to pick and choose which laws they will enforce based on their subjective view of what the Constitution means. We have elected officials and judges (and jurys) to do that.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 12:55:59 PM »

Look Path, I think I may have not made my point as clearly as I should. I am more a fan of the 9th tha the 10th, but both are important. What bothered me about M'lettes video clip was the idea of individual Sherrifs not obeying the law if they so chose. You'll recall that the police chief in DC is doing that in regards to issuing gun permits. Likewise the police chief in (I think it was Milwaukee) is not complying with the AGs opinion allowiing open carry. I respect LEOs, but I damn sure don't trust them to pick and choose which laws they will enforce based on their subjective view of what the Constitution means. We have elected officials and judges (and jurys) to do that.
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I have to agree with you on this one. LEO's are not given the authority to enforce a law or not. The are there to ENFORCE THE LAWS AS WRITTEN. Now As far as laws or orders that violate the oath that they took to serve and protect the citizens...Thats a different story. But in keeping to your point. They can't pick and choose which laws to enforce.
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Re: OATH KEEPERS
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 01:50:59 PM »

I have to agree with you on this one. LEO's are not given the authority to enforce a law or not. The are there to ENFORCE THE LAWS AS WRITTEN. Now As far as laws or orders that violate the oath that they took to serve and protect the citizens...Thats a different story. But in keeping to your point. They can't pick and choose which laws to enforce.

OK, I gotta go, but here's the Cliff Notes version

Mack is talking about a County Sheriff and everything he said is gospel. The CS is the top LEO in the county and is not answerable to anyone other than the voters. The examples you guys cited were town/city PD Chiefs - not the same thing at all.

And, there have been numerous cases in which the police of all kinds were found not to have to enforce the law - all the way to a SCOTUS ruling that found the same thing. One of the cases stemmed from the Seattle PD standing by in 1988 during the WTO riots and doing nothing. Turns out, legally, all that "serve and protect" crap is exactly that - crap. They do not have to enforce any law, and the law backs them up. It is to our benefit that they choose to enforce some.

And with the 10th Amendment strong, Mack was right that the CS can determine if a Federal law is unconstitutional or not and determine if they should enforce it or not - they are not obligated to enforce any law according to the courts.

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 04:43:32 PM »
OK, I gotta go, but here's the Cliff Notes version

Mack is talking about a County Sheriff and everything he said is gospel. The CS is the top LEO in the county and is not answerable to anyone other than the voters. The examples you guys cited were town/city PD Chiefs - not the same thing at all.

And, there have been numerous cases in which the police of all kinds were found not to have to enforce the law - all the way to a SCOTUS ruling that found the same thing. One of the cases stemmed from the Seattle PD standing by in 1988 during the WTO riots and doing nothing. Turns out, legally, all that "serve and protect" crap is exactly that - crap. They do not have to enforce any law, and the law backs them up. It is to our benefit that they choose to enforce some.

And with the 10th Amendment strong, Mack was right that the CS can determine if a Federal law is unconstitutional or not and determine if they should enforce it or not - they are not obligated to enforce any law according to the courts.


You are exactly right, just like in a case recently where the police stood by and let a person die. They are not responsible for your personal safety, you are.
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