I'm Tired....................

[fightingquaker13]

I don't take financial advice from people who are poor, I don't take educational advice from people who went to school for 8 years to make 40K as a teacher.
 
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Thanos
Here's a clue,who do you think "educated" you? If you think  teachers are stupid for working for 40K why did you listen to them (wait a minute, you obviously didn't)? How about those officers in the Air Force? Were they morons for  using their Academy areo-space engineering degrees and pilots licenses to serve their country for not very much money? You say you're going to law school (God help us all). Do you think your profs are chumps for making 70K or 80K for the priviledge of teaching a genius like yourself, as opposed to working on Wall Street for 5 times that? If so, why are you shelling out 30K a year to listen to idiots? Are you detecting a trend here? The bottom line, as shocking as it may be to you, is that a lot of good smart people value public service over money. If I was smart enough to get a Ph.D., I was damn sure smart enough to get an MBA. I didn't, and as a result, I drive an F-150 rather than a Porche. But at the end of the day, I get to go home knowing that I helped a class of 18 year olds learn something about their country. Am I an idiot too?
FIGHTINGquaker13

[tombogan03884]

Complaining and blaming DO have a place in the cycle, 1) complaints identify the fact of,and symptoms of a problem, just like your Dr. asking how you feel. 2) Blame establishes the root source of the problem. 3) the next step is action.
This DOES NOT JUST APPLY TO EDUCATION. Some one posted earlier that the primary cause of the problems we have identified within education stem from  (I'm paraphrasing here) lazy, disinterested parents who take no active role in the education of their lazy, disinterested kids. Think about it, they VOTE the same way. You can't convince me that 58% of the voters are so stupid that they could not have figured out in advance that Obama's stated policies would be a disaster, IF they had bothered to find out WHAT those policies were. Granted He got votes because he's Black,yes he got the dead beat vote by promising to play Robin Hood. But the portion of his votes that made the difference were the people who were tired of Bush. They were to mentally lazy to even stop and think that Bush would have been gone no matter WHO won.
You can see this same attitude any where you look, from the afore mentioned teachers who "Just pass them", to the factory workers who spend more time and effort trying to get out of work than if they actually did it, the people who are there because they have to account for 8 hours a day to collect their check. This is the attitude of the DMV worker who just walks away from a line of people because it's their break time, and God help you if you interfere with THAT.
The "Problem" is not with education, or the elected officials. The "Problem" is with Modern American society where it is more important to text or phone your friends than it is to pay attention to your driving.
This economic crunch is a GOOD thing for America, the worse the crash the better the effect, most people will not wake up until THEY lose their job, house, boat and third car. When people have to THINK to get their next meal they will get into the habit and will start to THINK about other things as well.

[fightingquaker13]

This economic crunch is a GOOD thing for America, the worse the crash the better the effect, most people will not wake up until THEY lose their job, house, boat and third car. When people have to THINK to get their next meal they will get into the habit and will start to THINK about other things as well.

Due respect Tom, let me know how GOOD it is when you've lost your job, your third , or is it fourth car (excuse me, I'm channeling John McCain) or YOUR house. You WANT people to to have to worry about where their next meal is coming from as part of some ideological object lesson? I have a real problem with evangelicals who wear their religion on their sleeve, and can't finish a sentence without using the name Jesus. Largely because I think this is simply in poor taste and bad manners. But brother, as a Quaker educated Episcopalian, I gotta say you're outta line.Politics is all well and good, and certainley a contact sport, but not when it comes at the cost of real human suffering.
Respect
fightingquaker13

[THE CORONER]

I'm glad to be an American!  I'm proud of my parents, and the hard work they put into raising me and providing both emotionally, and economically for my well being.  I'm thankful for the teachers who gave me their time, when I didn't always give them mine.  I'm thankful for my football coach who taught me humility and teamwork.  I'm thankful for my wife and children who make life tolerable.  I'm thankful for my neighbors who look out for my property when I'm away.  I'm thankful for my rights under the constitution of the United States of America, and for the countless lives lost to ensure my freedom to share my opinions, and debate topics with with my gun toting, card carrying brethren.  While we may not always agree on every issue; it is what brings us together to have these discussions, that make us better for it.  I am as much a student in my learning of firearms issues, as I'm sure a lot of us are.  But it's the comradiery amongst both men and women who are passionate about their beliefs, and firm in their convictions, that keeps me here.


God Bless all of you.  Especially Thanos....I hope your law school education helps in developing you into a leader of men.  A man that leads by example, and can hold his head high because he made a positive difference in the lives of others; no matter how much money you make doing it.  If you only measure wealth in dollars an cents, then you're poverty is ours.
Good Luck and best wishes.

[tombogan03884]

Due respect Tom, let me know how GOOD it is when you've lost your job, your third , or is it fourth car (excuse me, I'm channeling John McCain) or YOUR house. You WANT people to to have to worry about where their next meal is coming from as part of some ideological object lesson? I have a real problem with evangelicals who wear their religion on their sleeve, and can't finish a sentence without using the name Jesus. Largely because I think this is simply in poor taste and bad manners. But brother, as a Quaker educated Episcopalian, I gotta say you're outta line.Politics is all well and good, and certainley a contact sport, but not when it comes at the cost of real human suffering.
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fightingquaker13

I don't really care if you think I'm out of line, I DID lose my job, about 6 weeks ago. and haven't owned a car in years, as to the apartmrnt, while it is pleasant, I have lived in a tent before and am perfectly capable of doing so again. As for your babbling about evangelicals I have NO idea what you are going on about.

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[Thanos]

Thanos
Here's a clue,who do you think "educated" you? If you think  teachers are stupid for working for 40K why did you listen to them (wait a minute, you obviously didn't)?

Sorry, I could read at 4 and until I dropped out at 15, I always was reading things more advanced than the class was teaching me. I don't think I ever had a teacher in the public schools that knew more than I did. Sorry.

My point is, I have heard so many times how someone wants to be a grade school teacher and I think it is silly. Bad work environment, bad co-workers (Students), mismanagement, customers that complain (Parents), a better system elsewhere (Private schools), better pay in other fields (including McDonalds) and a union.

Do you think your profs are chumps for making 70K or 80K for the priviledge of teaching a genius like yourself, as opposed to working on Wall Street for 5 times that?

Um, my mathematics professor makes 195k+ a year, I think that is pretty good.

The system is broken, did you know that most of Europe won't accept American credits towards graduation? My in-laws had three German exchange students that would have to repeat the grade that they did here because it is not considered equivelent. That is pathetic.

The problem that I have is we keep wanting to throw money at a system that has such a high failure rate without demanding that they do a better job. I want to send my kids to a private school.

I saw your other post:

But brother, as a Quaker educated Episcopalian, I gotta say you're outta line.Politics is all well and good, and certainley a contact sport, but not when it comes at the cost of real human suffering.

It is the challanges in life that build character and refine the weak, I think this country needs a few more opportunities to build some of the character that we have lost since WWII. As much as I hate to admit it, I think a lot of people would derive some good out of a bad economy, like learning how to work. This goes for the rich just as much as the poor. You can't tell me that Paris Hilton doesn't need a little work ethic?

[Thanos]

God Bless all of you.  Especially Thanos....I hope your law school education helps in developing you into a leader of men.  A man that leads by example, and can hold his head high because he made a positive difference in the lives of others; no matter how much money you make doing it.  If you only measure wealth in dollars an cents, then you're poverty is ours.
Good Luck and best wishes.

My first paycheck when I finish law school will be to give $1000 as a scholarship to a high school dropout that has completed 2 years of college with a GPA of 3.0 or higher. No other strings attached. I plan on increasing that so that one day I can pay for a full four years (Two years retroactively) and then do that for several people. And then do the same in my wife's name at the CIA. I don't want to be a leader of men, my path was filled with a lot of stupid mistakes, I am the LAST person I would want anyone to look to as an example.

[tombogan03884]

I'm glad to be an American!  I'm proud of my parents, and the hard work they put into raising me and providing both emotionally, and economically for my well being.  I'm thankful for the teachers who gave me their time, when I didn't always give them mine.  I'm thankful for my football coach who taught me humility and teamwork.  I'm thankful for my wife and children who make life tolerable.  I'm thankful for my neighbors who look out for my property when I'm away.  I'm thankful for my rights under the constitution of the United States of America, and for the countless lives lost to ensure my freedom to share my opinions, and debate topics with with my gun toting, card carrying brethren.  While we may not always agree on every issue; it is what brings us together to have these discussions, that make us better for it.  I am as much a student in my learning of firearms issues, as I'm sure a lot of us are.  But it's the comradiery amongst both men and women who are passionate about their beliefs, and firm in their convictions, that keeps me here.


God Bless all of you.  Especially Thanos....I hope your law school education helps in developing you into a leader of men.  A man that leads by example, and can hold his head high because he made a positive difference in the lives of others; no matter how much money you make doing it.  If you only measure wealth in dollars an cents, then you're poverty is ours.
Good Luck and best wishes.

After I got my GED i went back to school, initially for Business, but I dropped that in favor of a vocational class in machine trades, because I looked ahead and saw myself after 20 or 30 years of business and decided that I would probably want to slit my wrists. while accounting may be "easier" work than the logging I had been doing previously there is no job satisfaction. Now, in the WORST job I have ever had, at the end of the day there was a pile of parts that I could look at and say "I did that". If given the chance to do it again I would make the same decision on that.

[fightingquaker13]

I don't really care if you think I'm out of line, I DID lose my job, about 6 weeks ago. and haven't owned a car in years, as to the apartmrnt, while it is pleasant, I have lived in a tent before and am perfectly capable of doing so again. As for your babbling about evangelicals I have NO idea what you are going on about.

Tom sorry about the job. I'm between contracts now as well and its damn scary. The evangelical thing was just an excuse to use a litlte Gargy Cooper style Quaker "friendly persuasion", and lay guilt trip on you for seeming to ignore the casualties of the reccession. (Hope you saw the movie or I'll look like moreof  a babbling idiot. Good luck with the job hunt.
fightingquaker13

[Pathfinder]

This economic crunch is a GOOD thing for America, the worse the crash the better the effect, most people will not wake up until THEY lose their job, house, boat and third car. When people have to THINK to get their next meal they will get into the habit and will start to THINK about other things as well.

I agree completely, Tom. In fact, I have been saying this privately for years, when the direction of the proletariat became clear. My girlfriend turned to me about a month or so ago and asked if I was happy. How so? And she said because I had hoped for this situation.

It wasn't hope, it was only a recognition that after the excesses of the 80's and 90's - the whole "Me Generation" crap - something had to be done to bring this country to its senses. Money had become a god again (not that Mammon ever really left) and the real God was not happy at the behavior of His children. So the false gods of "it's all about me" and money had to be thrown down once again.

If you worship those gods, you will be a casualty, what the hell makes you think you're so special that you won't be hurt in this "war"? The world owes you nothing. Mother Nature doesn't even know you exist. If you sin, you will be punished. What part of that do you not get?

And Quaker, according to your way of thinking, this country would never have been won from the British - or even founded for that matter. Suffering is part of the human condition, all one can do is prevail in spite of the suffering, and avoid the "poor me, I'm a victim of <fill in the blank>" syndrome that so thoroughly infests this country today. The NFL players who died - according to the survivor - died because they could not handle being a victim of the boat's failure. The survivor survived because he swore he would prevail over his suffering.

As a Christian who believes in the salvation of Jesus, I well understand my responsibilities in the midst of suffering - my own as well as others - but it is not for me to eliminate all suffering. To quote bho, it is above my pay grade. For him, it was a cop-out. For me, it is recognition of my role in God's plan.

Tom, hang in there. It is a tough time, but just so you know, I too have been jobless, I have been stone cold broke and $100k in debt, having lost my entire family - even the dog - due to divorce. You can and will prevail, our prayers are with you.