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1st person report
« on: March 14, 2009, 04:58:53 PM »
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It's about time that something like this has formed. I'm an E7 in the Army National Guard (Colorado, B co. 5/19th SFG) I'm an 18C and I'm getting the hell out of the Army. I've had enough. I ETS in October and I'm picking up my family and we're moving to New Hampshire to join other defenders of the Republic in a place that is still one of the freest places in the nation. (I'm a member of the Free State Project.)

I'm currently serving on OWT status at Ft. Bliss, TX. I wanted to share what is going on here.

Bliss is mandating that all soldiers who own POWs (privately owned weapons) cannot store their firearms on post housing. They must be turned into the arms room. All soldiers must register any weapons they own with the provost marshall regardless of whether or not they live on post. Further, the post commander has mandated that if soldiers do not comply, they will face courts martial.

The counseling statement I recieved on this new policy stated that privately owned firearms are a serious threat to the safety of the community. I kid you not.

Here it is: they're now figuring out who in the military is a firearms owner as a pretext to disarming these soldiers first before going after everyone else's guns.
I'm completely on board with your statements of intent, but I will uphold these edicts from outside the military. I'm not going to be ordered at gunpoint to participate in the fascist takeover of this country.

BTW; I discovered your site via Alex Jones. You have permission to use this email in your efforts to get the word out and let me know how I can assist.

Thanks,

SFC Gerald Montgomery


Note from Oath Keepers:

SFC Montgomery is a credit to SF. By stepping up, he is truly living up to the Special Forces motto, "De Oppresso Liber" meaning "To Free The Oppressed.' While most active duty military are understandably reluctant to speak out publicly, and it may be better if they don't for many reasons, there is still great value in some taking a public stand like this - especially "short timers" who will be out soon anyway. God bless SFC Montgomery and men like him. You can count on hearing more from him in the future.

His report on the anti-gun purge at Ft. Bliss is chilling, especially this part:


All soldiers must register any weapons they own with the provost marshall regardless of whether or not they live on post.
Even under the warped logic that on-post weapons are "safer" if stored in the armory, what does that have to do with privately held weapons, kept in private homes off-post? Why must those be registered? We suspect that SFC Montgomery's summation of the purpose of this policy is correct. Registration is historically the precursor to confiscation.
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Re: 1st person report
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 05:12:58 PM »
Most Air Force bases havent allowed guns in base housing for YEARS now.  Over 15 years in cases I can remember.  I think its up to that base commanders descretion when it comes to things like this.

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 05:19:22 PM »
When I was in the Army in the 70' & 80's, you couldn't keep any guns in the barracks. They had to be stored in the unit armory. As far as on-base quarters for married personell, I can't answer that. When I moved off base to a private apartment, I kept whatever I wanted.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 08:42:23 PM »
 If that came from "Infowars" I would take it with a grain of salt. Make sure you can independently verify what the tin foil hat crowd reports.

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Re: 1st person report
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 12:12:14 AM »
Alex Jones, has two web sites infowars and prisonplanet, as well as his radio show. I agree with Tom, while I believe that there is much good information coming from Jones, his ultimate aim is to deceive. I do listen to some of his show, but I am not a true believer, there is disinformation thrown in to. The good part is that sometimes he brings up subjects and news I am unaware of, that I can look into from other sources, for the purpose of verifying or discounting.
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Re: 1st person report
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2009, 01:08:54 AM »
The email is bogus

http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/11/17/14307-fort-bliss-commanding-general-grants-amnesty-for-unregistered-firearms/

Nov 17, 2008
BY Virginia Reza

Maj. Gen. Howard Bromberg, Fort Bliss commanding general, will grant an amnesty period from Nov. 16 to Dec. 15 for firearms violations on the installation.

Military personnel residing on or off the installation are encouraged to register their weapons during this period to avoid prosecution. The amnesty period does not exonerate any other violations and will only apply to those who voluntarily report their firearms.

"Weapons registration is an important tool to maintain a safe living environment for Soldiers and the Fort Bliss community," said Bromberg.

Firearm knowledge and safety are part of a Soldier's training, but those who have privately owned firearms must abide with policies initiated by the installation commander, provost marshal and state and federal laws.

Soldiers and their family members assigned here who live on or off the installation, including units in Biggs Army Airfield, McGregor Range and William Beaumont Army Medical Center, must register all privately owned firearms with the Vehicle and Weapons Registration Office, Bldg. 505, within 72 hours of arriving at Fort Bliss or after purchasing a firearm.

No weapons of any kind may be stored in barracks. Soldiers and their family members residing on- or off-post housing must store firearms and weapons either where they reside, at the Rod and Gun Club, or in a unit arms room. Stored weapons should be in a locked container, like a gun cabinet or gun case, or have a trigger-locking or action-blocking device.
Reports of unregistered and unsafely stored firearms in homes where young children live have been reported. Children can be extremely curious and improperly stored weapons can have a devastating outcome, said Jean Offutt, Fort Bliss Public Affairs officer.

Outlined in Regulation 27-5, the use and transportation of privately owned firearms is limited for marksmanship activities at the Rod and Gun Club, hunting on identified areas of Fort Bliss and transportation to a storage facility, such as an arms room.

"I intend for this amnesty also to apply to adverse administrative actions. However, I do not intend to limit the ability of Army leadership to counsel or issue letters of concern," Bromberg said.

Laws on transporting firearms in Texas are underlined by the Department of Public Safety. Even though an individual may be licensed to carry a firearm and, by Texas law, weapons are allowed to be stored in the vehicle of someone traveling from their residence to a location such as the Rod and Gun Club, Fort Bliss is federal land and is subject to a different set of laws.

The Fort Bliss Rod and Club, located east of Railroad Drive and Deer Street, offers a variety of services to help Soldiers maintain a working knowledge of their weapons while keeping an emphasis on safety.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2009, 04:44:11 PM »
This really irritates me.  The presentation of this fictional soldier is a serious disservice to those who actually serve their courntry in the United States Military of all branches and those of us who love our country still.





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Re: 1st person report
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 02:03:57 PM »


[NOTE: This is in response to Special Forces SFC Montgomery's post on Saturday March 14, 2009 about the recent changes in the Ft. Bliss firearms policy. To maintain the Colonel's anonymity, certain information has been removed or changed below].


Gentlemen: “Military bureaucrats as officious little commissars, nothing more…”

The Army has (for at least the past 28+ years I’ve been serving) always mandated registration of privately owned weapons (POWs). The registration of one’s privately owned weapons is not a new requirement. Recently, several installations have applied this rule to those living “on the economy”, that is, off the installation, and not just to those living in quarters or in barracks on the installation. [See recent blog posts regarding Fort Lewis.]

Rules for storage are up to the installation (garrison or base) commander. It used to be that all junior enlisted (particularly those living in the barracks) had to store their POWs in the unit arm’s room and receive the company commander’s permission to remove them (say, to go to the military range dedicated for shooting personally owned weapons (most of these ranges have been shut down, post 9/11) or to a public, off-post range). NCO’s and Officers living in quarters were exempt from this rule and could store their weapons in quarters. Regardless, one had to have a copy of the installation Provost Marshal’s registration documentation with the weapon at all times when transporting it onto or off of the base.

This was also the state of affairs when I lived at [on a naval base], 2002 – 2004. Weapons permitted in quarters, but registered with the naval base’s provost marshal’s office. (OK, truth in advertising; I registered my three primary weapons – a [shotgun, pistol and hunting rifle]. That was enough to explain the gun-safe that was wheeled into and out of my quarters when we settled in and departed. But never again.)

Apparently, some bases (Fort Bliss, others?) have changed the policy that all personally owned firearms will now be stored in unit arms rooms….

And here is probably why: Much of the impetus for this rule change (store POWs in the unit arms room) is likely merely an officious over-reaction by the Army in stemming the tide of suicides. The Army has faced a marked increase in suicides in 2008 and early 2009. There were 145 suicides in 2008, at least 24 in January 2009 and 18 more in February (although the status determination hasn’t been finalized on each of the January and February cases, most will be ruled suicides – so the numbers will be close to the 24 and 18, if not ‘spot on.) Currently, the Army’s rate of suicide is 20.5 per 100K – more than the 19 per 100K in the American population (when adjusted to reflect the same demographics for age and gender as compared to the military population). This is the first time the Army’s rate has exceeded the adjusted civilian rate since 1980…. Right now, the Army is undergoing a safety stand-down training program on suicide awareness and prevention and is very serious about peers and leaders identifying the signs of depression and suicidal ideation among their fellow soldiers, family members and civilian workforce. (Note – of the recent spate of suicides in the Army, a third have not been deployed – so it isn’t merely ‘high OPTEMO’ causing this increase.)

Of course, given the military environment of “zero defects”, commanders are most unwilling to allow any chance for the vagaries of human nature by one’s subordinates adversely reflecting upon or interfering with a “perfect” career progression. Subordinates getting a DUI, having an altercation in quarters with one’s spouse, or especially the thought of someone using a POW on or off the installation to commit suicide, gives commander’s the heebie-jeebies…. Can’t make general that way.

So, while I fully understand SFC Montgomery’s reaction to the policy and do not blame him for his intent to get out of the military, this is a case where mere officious bureaucracy is the motivator behind the rule changes which nevertheless serve to curtail our individual liberty and trample the idea of personal responsibility. Military bureaucrats as officious little commissars, nothing more… I do not think, however, that his cited example (Fort Bliss policy) necessarily rises to the occasion for “Gun Confiscation being set up inside the military”

This is why I am in the Army Reserve (albeit a full-timer) and will never again live on the installation or in government quarters, on or off-post. (Many installations now have “privatized” government quarters in enclave neighborhoods that are on the economy, not on the installation – but subject to the same rules as if they were….)

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Re: 1st person report
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 03:59:41 PM »
Another fictional soldier?  Why the attack on our military in guise of a concerned military man?

BS is BS.  If any of this were true it would be the talk of all the REAL soldiers serving our country. 

Ps, my son who is serving in Iraq now said it was BS as well.



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"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous.  If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for."

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 06:54:27 PM »
Another fictional soldier?  Why the attack on our military in guise of a concerned military man?

BS is BS.  If any of this were true it would be the talk of all the REAL soldiers serving our country. 

Ps, my son who is serving in Iraq now said it was BS as well.



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I didn't see anything in that post that was not easily believable, ESPECIALLY the parts about "ticket punching" little tin gods.

 

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