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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2009, 11:49:54 AM »
If and when, I move from the midwest I believe Texas would be my choice to live due to their gun laws and they are not afraid of using the death penalty. ;)

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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2009, 07:12:58 PM »
Hmm. No. 5, Philly. CCW allowed. The citizens wanted it, the crooked city Pols blocked it, the State told the City 2fn bad. Carry permitted.
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 05:02:50 PM »
I think you will find that most of the big citys disagree with that... I honestly can't think of a single large city( you know like top 10) where they want people to CCW Infact I don't know of any where its legal to do so.

That's exactly the point, TAB.  not that it's legal, but that it SHOULD be.....that those locations need it worse than rural areas.
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 11:39:42 PM »
That's exactly the point, TAB.  not that it's legal, but that it SHOULD be.....that those locations need it worse than rural areas.

Concealed carry is legal in all but 2 of the top 10, (darn difficult to get permit in 3 others.
Concealed carry is only illegal in 5 of the top 50, Granted in Ca. it is darn difficult to get a permit, but it IS legal. That leaves NY, Chicago , DC,  Milwaukee. and Honolulu I'm not sure about.
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 11:00:32 PM »
Its legal in NYC, but you have to live some where outside of NYC to get a permit... just like SF or LA here.   

While not exactly illegal... it might as well be as you can not get permits if you live there.( out side of "connections")
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2009, 08:03:09 AM »
Its legal in NYC, but you have to live some where outside of NYC to get a permit... just like SF or LA here.   

While not exactly illegal... it might as well be as you can not get permits if you live there.( out side of "connections")

So very, very wrong on NYC. NYC does not honor any permit not issued by NYC. I used to live in NY and had looked into CCW as it was taking off nation wide.
 

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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2009, 12:56:36 PM »
So very, very wrong on NYC. NYC does not honor any permit not issued by NYC. I used to live in NY and had looked into CCW as it was taking off nation wide.
 

You can get a license or exception issued for carry in the boroughs of NYC, but those are reserved for VIPs. Trust me.



I thought the "Sullivan act" made carry illegal in the city.

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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2009, 10:51:26 AM »
I thought the "Sullivan act" made carry illegal in the city.


I guess that pretty much explains why there's no violent crime in NYC, huh?
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2009, 11:21:16 AM »
For those interested, I would like to provide some clarification and information on how the complexities of pistol permits work in the City of New York....truly a unique place in this regard.

I have a New York City "Special Carry Unrestricted Pistol License", and regarding CCW in NYC, Fatman pretty much has it correct.  However, there is no such thing as a pistol license "exception", of any sort, in New York City.  The NYPD requires a separate NYC Pistol Permit that gets issued by the NYPD at One Police Plaza.  They require you to show your NY State Unrestricted Pistol License in order to qualify for consideration of the separate NYC License.  There is also no such thing as a NYC "validation" of another pistol permit.  Only a separate NYC Pistol Permit is recognized by the NYPD.......period.  Your New York State Pistol Permit, or any other state permit for that matter, means absolutely nothing within New York City's 5 boroughs and is simply not recognized.

A "Special Carry Unrestricted Pistol License" is only for those who reside in New York State but not within the 5 boroughs.  Carrying within the 5 boroughs requires a NYC Unrestricted Pistol License which is also accepted throughout New York State.  As I reside in upstate New York but work in NYC and carry everyday in the city, I obtained a "Special Carry" permit and I always make sure I carry both my state and city permits in my wallet.  One note of interest is that while my New York State license allows unlimited handguns to be listed on the back of the permit, my NYC permit only permits two handguns to be listed and carried when in the 5 boroughs.  This limitation is for "Special Carry" unrestricted permits.  It is increased to 8 handguns for those issued a standard NYC unrestricted permit for residents of the 5 boroughs.  Also, the vast majority of NYC Pistol Licenses are issued with restrictions which pretty much only allow for premise carry in the home or shop where you work.  You cannot take your gun from there unless you are going to the range, which is virtually impossible to find in the 5 boroughs.  Even then your gun must be transported in a locked case within your vehicle.  Ranges in NYC are essentially for use by law enforcement.

Lastly, while New York State Permits are issued "until revoked" and never charge a renewal fee once issued, the NYC Licenses are a cash cow for the city and cost $340 for a 3 year permit and another $340 for every 3 year renewal after that.  This fee is waived for retired NYPD officers who apply for an NYC pistol license, without which they would not be permitted to carry in the 5 boroughs.  It is true, however, that unrestricted permits in NYC are virtually impossible to obtain and "Special Carry" permits are even rarer.  Only a few dozen "Special Carry" permits have ever been issued from what I was told at Police Plaza.  There is no such thing as a non-resident pistol permit in New York City....so Plaxico Burress, for example, being a NJ resident would have never been issued a NYC permit, no matter who he knew.   Carrying a handgun without a NYC unrestricted pistol permit is punishable with a mandatory 3.5 year jail sentence.  NYC pistol licenses are also very carefully produced with a number of NYPD holograms imbedded within both sides of the license so they are virtually impossible to forge.

I hope this information clears up much of the conjecture of what actually occurs in New York City regarding the issuance of pistol permits.
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Re: Big cities need concealed carry
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2009, 01:02:11 PM »
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