AIMED Point Shooting or P&S advocate = PITA ?

[okjoe]

Hello to all.

I am a newbee here.

I have a web site on Point Shooting, and will be happy to discuss most any subject relating to Point Shooting.

But because of the incendiary nature of the subject, or perhaps the incendiary nature of the inhabitants of the Polite Society (I haven't quite figured out which after about 10 years or so), perhaps a quick look-see at the articles on my siite, would be a good idea before it's hammer and tongs time.

Point Shooting to me means FAS, QK, threat focus shooting, P&S, CAR, etc...

[Rob Pincus]

OKJoe,

Welcome to the forum.... I'm sure that several members will take a look and that any well thought out ideas will be open for discussion.

Meanwhile, swing on by the I.C.E. site when you get a chance and listen to the podcast that discusses "The Balance of Speed & Precision" (http://switchpod.com/f45936.html?puser=none) as an answer to the "Sights or No Sights" question and let us know what you think.

-RJP

[okjoe]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for your comment.

Got a better URL?

I use AOL mostly on the web, and each time I clicked on the URL provided, (3 tiimes), AOL died on me. I tried to just type in the URL without the ending and that came up as an error. I can try using MS's internet option, but prefer not to.

Best regards,

John Veit

[Rob Pincus]

My mom uses AOL.... I bought a USB cell card so I could surf the net when I visited her!

There are plenty of sources for the theory.... try googling or whatever the AOl search equivalent is.... there is also a video copy of the concept as explained on a DVD at Youtube.

-RJP

[okjoe]

Hi again Rob,

You state: "I'm sure that several members will take a look and that any well thought out ideas will be open for discussion."

Most of the articles on my site are written by the experts in the field, FBI, Professional gun folks, The Rand Co., NYPD, and also by liittle old me. Many of the articles are digests or reviews of other's materials that I have developed, and passed by the original author/s PRIOR to having them published in police and private venues, or put on my web site. I also have a bio link on the site for those interested in credentials such as they are, in an innovative and changing world where they may serve to drag one down rather than lift them up.

"My stuff" is my stuff, and because of complaints about it/me over time, I have come up with lots of pics and videos that show what I say is, is what it is, and that it works.

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[fightingquaker13]

Hello to all.

I am a newbee here.

I have a web site on Point Shooting, and will be happy to discuss most any subject relating to Point Shooting.

But because of the incendiary nature of the subject, or perhaps the incendiary nature of the inhabitants of the Polite Society (I haven't quite figured out which after about 10 years or so), perhaps a quick look-see at the articles on my siite, would be a good idea before it's hammer and tongs time.

Point Shooting to me means FAS, QK, threat focus shooting, P&S, CAR, etc...

I'd be happy to look, but you don't give a url. Please post one. It would distract me from my hurt feelings that Rob was in port St Lucie and didn't invite me to the party. Seriously Rob if you're going to do a class in an area and its not booked up, I guarantee no one in this group would object if you advertised the open slots here). 
fighingquaker13

[1911 Junkie]

www.pointshooting.com

[okjoe]

Hi Rob,

Used IE and listened to the lecture.

The recent Rand report, and the SOP 9 report on thousands of police combat cases support what you say: that there is a disconnect between shooting effectiveness when in training and when on the job.

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Per the SOP 9, From Sept 1854 to Dec 1979, 254 officers died from wounds received in an armed encounter. The shooting distance in 90% of those cases was less than 15 feet.
 
The shooting distances where officers survived, remained almost the same during the SOP years (1970-1979), and for a random sampling of cases going back as far as 1929. 4,000 cases were reviewed. The shooting distance in 75% of those cases was less than 20 feet.

The majority of incidents occurred in poor lighting conditions. None occurred in what could be called total darkness. It was noted that flashlights were not used as a marksmanship aid. Also, dim light firing involves another element which is different from full light firing, muzzle flash.

In 70% of the cases reviewed, sight alignment was not used. Officers reported that they used instinctive or point shooting.

Officers, with an occasional exception, fired with the strong hand. That was the case even when it appeared advantageous to use the weak hand.

An attempt was made to relate an officer's ability to strike a target in a combat situation to his range qualification scores. After making over 200 such comparisons, no firm conclusion was reached.

More info on the sop 9 can be found at http://www.pointshooting.com/sop9.htm

And info on the more recent Rand study is at http://www.pointshooting.com/randinfo.htm