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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 06:10:52 PM »
Quote from: JSC3ATLCSO on April 14, 2009, 05:38:13 PM
Read an article once in Guns and Ammo by Massad Ayoob and he suggested checking with Local LE and see what they carry.  I know they aren't always the most informed.  I will dig out the article and get a general rundown of it.

That was more for an "after the shot" situation--made it easier for you defense lawyer than if you were shooting Gut-Ripper 3000's or some such "evil" sounding name.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 06:25:05 PM »
Yeah that is the one.  I guess our Local LE uses Speer Gold Dot and it is ranked pretty highly on most Defense charts.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 07:29:29 PM »
12 GA. "Exploder":
A stabilized, finned slug with a deep hollow core for loading combustible materials. The exploder round has curved finns in the rear of the slug for stability. Recent D.O.T. regulations require that the "Exploder" hollow cavity be shipped unloaded. This allows you to load the cavity yourself, safely with no tools required. Use our formula or yours. Complete instructions included. Can’t be shipped to California, Florida addresses. 2.75 round  (as seen on "Future weapons", yes, it blows up on impact!)

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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 07:51:10 PM »
12 GA. Macho Gaucho: AKA "Strung Buck"
The device made famous by the Argentine Cowboy is called the "bolo". This device consisted of two heavy balls connected by a string and was thrown at and wrapped around an animals legs causing it to trip. Now this idea has been adapted for the 21st century in the form of a 12 Gauge shotgun round. This round consists of two lead slugs connected by a steel wire that whirls and twirls during flight devastating your target. Try your hand at being a 21st century cowboy today. 2 3/4" round. 

NEVER consider a handgun as a first option for self defense...  As a last option...  OK.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 08:58:08 PM »
Quote from: twyacht on April 14, 2009, 05:47:02 PM

Here's a question:

"If a bullet expands and penetrates 6" and another bullet does not expand, but penetrates 12", which one does more damage?"

No simple answer to that one. Depends on shot placement, most of all, and all the variables involved with such. IMHO.
Divide the torso into four sections. Two upper and two lower. Shoot a 400 pound man in the lower left quadrant of the torso and you would not expect the same damage to vitals as in any of the other three. Either might stop him, but either might not. But the liver is on the right and would stand a better chance of massive bleed out with the expanding round.

I posted months ago about a guy I used to work with getting shot in the pectoral muscle with a wadcutter from a snubby .38.
He was a big, somewhat muscular fellow, and the slug stopped a couple of inches into the muscle itself. He then took the gun away from the shooter and beat hell out of him with it. Better load might have ended differently, OR different shot placement with same load might have ended differently also.

Man, too many variables in life.   ;)
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2009, 06:41:50 PM »
The best performance I have seen out of any of my firearms was from Hornady or Cor-Bon. I try to stick with Remington or Winchester on the range but will finish up with Hornady TAP. Loved the Black Talons but good luck on finding them.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 08:34:28 PM »
I still have a few boxes of Black Talons but don't use them for SD. I'm afraid of the prosecuter calling them cop-killer bullets. I'm using Cor-Bon Pow'RBalls right now but I've used a lot of other loads too. I like Gold Dots about as well as any.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 10:52:22 AM »
Aren't the Winchester SXT's or Ranger's basically the same as Black Talons, just without the 'black'?

I use Cor-Bon myself.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 07:11:26 PM »
Quote from: PegLeg45 on April 16, 2009, 10:52:22 AM
Aren't the Winchester SXT's or Ranger's basically the same as Black Talons, just without the 'black'?

I use Cor-Bon myself.

SXTs are Black Talons without the black or the talons.
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Re: best self-defense ammo
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 07:20:32 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on April 16, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
SXTs are Black Talons without the black or the talons.

Aren't they supposed to perform the same?
I think you posted on this before, but my memory faded.
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For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

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