P O L L - - - MILITARY VETERANS -- DO THEY SCARE YOU?

[Rastus]

OK.  Your chance to sound off.  If you vote for anything other than #1 you've got to be a lib troll.  The article that started this is below....but the people who brought us this are running the asylum.


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803
Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists'
Returning U.S. military veterans singled out as particular threats

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Posted: April 12, 2009
9:40 pm Eastern
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.

The report, titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, states that "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts."

However, the document, first reported by talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, goes on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

The consequences of a prolonged economic downturn – including real estate foreclosures, unemployment and an inability to obtain credit – could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," the report says.

It adds that "growth in these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy and the continued U.S. standing as the pre-eminent world power."

"Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government," the report continues. "The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement."

Most notable is the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans.

"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities."

The report cites the April 4 (RASTUS NOTE:  Strange how such a thoughtful document that has been in progress for a long time can be published with such fresh information...they wouldn't use tragedy, would they? ) shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh as an example of what may be coming, claiming the alleged gunman holds a racist ideology and believes in anti-government conspiracy theories about gun confiscations, citizen detention camps and "a Jewish-controlled 'one-world government.'"

It also suggests the election of an African-American president and the prospect of his policy changes "are proving to be a driving force for right-wing extremist recruitment and radicalization."

The report also mentions "'end times' prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

"DHS/I&A assesses that right-wing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence," the report continues.

The report states the DHS will be working with state and local partners over the next several months to determine the levels of right-wing extremist activity in the U.S.

Last month, the chief of the Missouri highway patrol blasted a report issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that linked conservative groups to domestic terrorism, assuring that such reports no longer will be issued. The report had been compiled with the assistance of DHS.

The report warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.

It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes.

Chief James Keathley of the Missouri State Patrol issued a statement that the release of the report, which outraged conservatives nationwide, prompted him to "take a hard look" at the procedures through which the report was released by the MIAC.

"My review of the procedures used by the MIAC in the three years since its inception indicates that the mechanism in place for oversight of reports needs improvement," he wrote. "Until two weeks ago, the process for release of reports from the MIAC to law enforcement officers around the state required no review by leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol or the Department of Public Safety."

"For that reason, I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report," he said. "Further, I am creating a new process for oversight of reports drafted by the MIAC that will require leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety to review the content of these reports before they are shared with law enforcement. My office will also undertake a review of the origin of the report by MIAC."

[saltydogbk]

Every time I pass a mirror, I jump back.  "Look at that right wing extremist!!  What an old, bitter, clinging, a**hole...."  Then I realize it's just me, and go on about my day.

[r_w]

I have personally known vets that have snapped in bad ways, but I think the bad apples are a LOT fewer and far between than in the general population. 

[Texas_Bryan]

I have personally known vets that have snapped in bad ways, but I think the bad apples are a LOT fewer and far between than in the general population. 

Did they snap because they were vets?  Every demographic has its bad apples, and like you said, vets are probably fewer than most.  They fear these people because vets leaders and confident, and if a bunch of them got together against the government, politically or whatever, they are going to have the ability to move people.  This is a move to discredit our brothers, those crazies extremist, don't listen to or follow them, they're damaged goods.  I wouldn't trade one vet for a thousand politicians...even if he was crazy or extreme, because he still wouldn't be able to top Washington's craziness.

[tombogan03884]

Did they snap because they were vets?  Every demographic has its bad apples, and like you said, vets are probably fewer than most.  They fear these people because vets leaders and confident, and if a bunch of them got together against the government, politically or whatever, they are going to have the ability to move people.  This is a move to discredit our brothers, those crazies extremist, don't listen to or follow them, they're damaged goods.  I wouldn't trade one vet for a thousand politicians...even if he was crazy or extreme, because he still wouldn't be able to top Washington's craziness.

Exactly ! Especially in this era of Volunteer only forces, the veteran may personally be a scumbag but has VOLUNTARILY showed a sense of TRUE social responsibility by putting duty to country ahead of his own safety and comfort.

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[ericire12]

Exactly ! Especially in this era of Volunteer only forces, the veteran may personally be a scumbag but has VOLUNTARILY showed a sense of TRUE social responsibility by putting duty to country ahead of his own safety and comfort.

You are right, but that is not how the Left views it. Take John Kerry for example. His views are that those who serve in the military are either too dumb to know any better and are essentially doupt into service, or they are forced into the military because their economic situation has forced them to do so.

[tombogan03884]

You are right, but that is not how the Left views it. Take John Kerry for example. His views are that those who serve in the military are either too dumb to know any better and are essentially doupt into service, or they are forced into the military because their economic situation has forced them to do so.

Yes but John Kerry is a social climbing POS, who is still stuck in the 60's and 70's when people asked me, "Why are you in the Marines, couldn't you find a REAL job". 

[tfr270]

For the most part I'm not afraid of them. The majority are good people like us. But then as I look around our Norteno and Sureno gangs I do see the possibility of returning hispanic soldiers not finding "the love" from a grateful nation and finding a home within the gangs. That is the original reason these gangs started way back when was the feelings that the immigrants didn't fit in with the rest of society and they needed protection so they formed these gangs. Current day of course they are now criminal street gangs with immense power in their communities. 

Our PD has caught the Surenos in our area holding military style training camps at midnight in the local parks...talk about the roaches running away when the light hit them!...Can you imagine ex-Marines coming home, getting honorably discharged, but they can't find a job, they have a family to support, and their friends are in the gangs telling them we have a use for you, come to us, you'll have money, we'll help you support your family, just teach us what you know?

Here in Kalifornia we are hearing about this "reconquista" stuff from our "undocumented workers".... That is what I'm scared of...not so much the majority of the honorably discharged vets. 

[tumblebug]

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[r_w]

Did they snap because they were vets?  Every demographic has its bad apples, and like you said, vets are probably fewer than most.  They fear these people because vets leaders and confident, and if a bunch of them got together against the government, politically or whatever, they are going to have the ability to move people.  This is a move to discredit our brothers, those crazies extremist, don't listen to or follow them, they're damaged goods.  I wouldn't trade one vet for a thousand politicians...even if he was crazy or extreme, because he still wouldn't be able to top Washington's craziness.

They snapped (I believe) because they saw some sh!t that should not be seen by humans.  Most were Desert Storm NG--they went in thinking it was a weekend a month playing with guns and I get some $$ and college paid for.  Saw all sorts of horrible stuff and then get dumped back into Heartland America, no decompression at all.  Whole different world than today's military.

I agree with your assessment of why they fear them--they fear them because of ability more than motive.