Which 1911 to buy?

[ericire12]

+1 Rob

[Michael Bane]

Amen, Rob!

I believe one of the greatest dangers we all face is our familiarity with and constant handling of the guns we use, compete with and test. Familiarity breeds not contempt, but inattention. People die from inattention.

The policy of all my shows is the same as the policy of all the reputable shooting sports organization...safties, even if redundant, must be engaged.

Michael B

[ericire12]

Amen, Rob!

I believe one of the greatest dangers we all face is our familiarity with and constant handling of the guns we use, compete with and test. Familiarity breeds not contempt, but inattention. People die from inattention.

The policy of all my shows is the same as the policy of all the reputable shooting sports organization...safties, even if redundant, must be engaged.

Michael B

Comment of the day award!

[a1abob]

I was the same as you, I wanted a 1911 to play with at the range, and a friend of mine who manages a gun shop turned me onto the Rock Island I paid $350. for it new a little over a year ago.  I've learned what I want and what I don't on a 1911, now I'm going to start dressing my Rock Island the way I want it.  Good gun good price.

[PegLeg45]

You could carry unstable crystalized nitroglycerin "safely" too ... if you do NOTHING ELSE and move slowly.

I wholeheartedly, vehemently and strongly disagree with your statement TAB. I certainly wouldn't let any student in a class do it... not that any has ever been reckless enough to show to a class wanting to!

FWIW: I just got a call 10 minutes ago from the publisher of SWAT Magazine that one of our writers is dead this week from carrying a gun "mexican style"... he had an freak accident and he is DEAD.  (DEAD) He apparently commented to his wife the day before that he "should get a holster".

Think before you do stupid things. Think twice before you post.

-RJP

Amen, Rob!

I believe one of the greatest dangers we all face is our familiarity with and constant handling of the guns we use, compete with and test. Familiarity breeds not contempt, but inattention. People die from inattention.

The policy of all my shows is the same as the policy of all the reputable shooting sports organization...safties, even if redundant, must be engaged.

Michael B

Exactly.
Nail square on the head.

I would also add 'complacency' to the list as a 'killer of fools'.

IMHO carrying cocked with the safety disengaged is like pinning the grip safety of a carry gun. It just don't make good, logical sense. Anyone familiar with the manual of arms of a 1911 knows that 'not using the safety' offers NO real speed advantage..... and if it DID, the advantage would NEVER outweigh the DANGER involved.

Safeties are there for a reason....so we ALL go home at the end of the day.

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[tombogan03884]

I was the same as you, I wanted a 1911 to play with at the range, and a friend of mine who manages a gun shop turned me onto the Rock Island I paid $350. for it new a little over a year ago.  I've learned what I want and what I don't on a 1911, now I'm going to start dressing my Rock Island the way I want it.  Good gun good price.

Love my Rock Island Arms 1911 $360 in 06, I believe they are still under $500 if you can find one,API, Armscor, and Rock Island, are all the same manufacturer.

Welcome to the club with TAB  , where the grip safety earns it's money in my experience is those times when the thumb safety gets wiped off by your movement or clothing. It's nice for those times you find you have been walking around with a loaded, cocked pistol pointed at your butt cheek with NO SAFETY ,

[TAB]

You could carry unstable crystalized nitroglycerin "safely" too ... if you do NOTHING ELSE and move slowly.

I wholeheartedly, vehemently and strongly disagree with your statement TAB. I certainly wouldn't let any student in a class do it... not that any has ever been reckless enough to show to a class wanting to!

FWIW: I just got a call 10 minutes ago from the publisher of SWAT Magazine that one of our writers is dead this week from carrying a gun "mexican style"... he had an freak accident and he is DEAD.  (DEAD) He apparently commented to his wife the day before that he "should get a holster".

Think before you do stupid things. Think twice before you post.

-RJP

2 things must happen for the gun to go bang.  I would not recomend it, but its still safer then a glock, where only 1 thing must happen.   You let students do it with a glock, why not a 1911?  4 lb trigger pull is a 4 lb trigger pull, it does not matter if its short or long. 4 lbs andit goes bang. 

[Rob Pincus]

TAB,

With all due respect and friendliness:

The fact that you think that length of pull and the actual weight (as opposed to your made up numbers) are not important shows a lack of thought on the topic. Your advice is reckless, as has already been pointed out. Continuing to argue in favor of it, particular with false information, only makes it worse and reduces the credibility and value of anything else you might offer on these forums. Please refrain from continuing this course of action... particularly in this thread, as your comments, and the drift they have caused, are far off the topic.

I urge you to attend a progressive professional training course (mine or someone else's) and have the fundamentals broken down for you so that you might understand the differences between the 1911 and the Glock/XD/M&P type firearms and the safe, responsible use of either.

-RJP

[Timothy]

Condition 0  -  Ready to fire, not aimed at anything your not gonna shoot, not in a holster either.
Condition 1  -  Cocked and Locked
Condition 2  -  Utter Stupidity
Condition 3  -  Charged and not chambered, safe when you know your not in harms way...
Condition 4  -  Basically a hammer

These are what I've lived by and I'm in complete and absolute agreement with Mr. Pincus.  I cut my teeth on a 1911, nearly 35 years ago.

These forums are frequented by the YOUNG and the old, the experienced and the novice and SAFETY is first and formost the most important thing we as a group can focus on and come to an agreement. 

[TAB]

I'm not saying I recomend it, I'm just saying its no less safe then having a say a glock in your holster.    both of them must have the tirggier pulled to go bang. ( assuming the grip safety in depressed)   I glock lists thier trigger pull at 5.5 lbs.  Thats not a lot of presure.

I agree condiotion 2 ( which is loaded gun, hammer down) is a very bad practice, but not so much in carrying that way as it is to get to that point.