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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2009, 01:11:45 AM »
It's kind of interesting, but what I really would like to know is who win between Massad Ayoob and Rob Pincus or Massad vs Col Cooper.

What they should do is some sort of tournemet style.  It would be interesting to see the Apache vs the Ninja.  Being a Dakotan Apache or Comanche vs the Lakota would be a big interest here.
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2009, 05:16:51 AM »
I watched the Apache/gladiator show and they had the Apache win.  They have one on one 'fights'.  They have experts demonstrate weapons of choice, they record force/damage/velocity/accuracy...data from the experts using the weapons, input to a program, run the numbers, and voila.  I wanted to watch the viking/samurai one, but I don't have anything but over air TV.  I was curious who would win and thought they would be more evenly matched, especially with the one on one aspect.  Now with a war type scenario I think the samurai would win.  The Japanese had/have a tendency to fight like ants, when skill is not the overwhelming decider.


My son set the DVR so I did get to see the Apache/Gladiator show.. It was interesting to see the numbers after being run. The experts were as interesting, Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell was used to demonstrate some of the Gladiator's weapons.

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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2009, 05:32:31 AM »
I am still LMAO over this whole thing. This a high tech, big budget production of every junior high school debate we ever had. Spiderman vs. Batman? Cavemen or astronauts? Ginger or Maryanne? Rust bucket vs perfection (I mean Glock ;D). I wonder if they even bothered to game out the metrics of weapon capability etc or just had a beer (or six) and argued it out like we do? This show is the best thing to happen to TV since The Man Show and Drew Carry, pure, unadulterated Y chromsone bullshit, and proud of it. If only they could have gotten R. Lee Ermey to narrate it would be perfect.
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 06:00:52 AM »
I am still LMAO over this whole thing. This a high tech, big budget production of every junior high school debate we ever had. Spiderman vs. Batman? Cavemen or astronauts? Ginger or Maryanne? Rust bucket vs perfection tupperware (I mean Glock ;D). I wonder if they even bothered to game out the metrics of weapon capability etc or just had a beer (or six) and argued it out like we do? This show is the best thing to happen to TV since The Man Show and Drew Carry, pure, unadulterated Y chromsone bullshit, and proud of it. If only they could have gotten R. Lee Ermey to narrate it would be perfect.
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 06:04:14 AM »
However, the Vikings - who did all you said - came well after the Romans, no gray area here.

I stand corrected, it was too damn cold up there anyway,...

I wonder what it was like to go through life with a name like William The Bastard..... ???

No big deal, I just happen to be a Roman and British history buff.

And you did not call William that name to his face. Not if you wanted to live anyhow.  He preferred William the Conqueror actually.
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2009, 07:08:25 PM »
In both battles one guy had the other on the run and the guy who was running away ended up winning.
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2009, 07:40:00 PM »
Molon Labe: "Come and Get them!" A Response to Tyranny-- Go and tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here, obedient to their laws, we lie."
In the 5th century BC, mankind was still living the way he had been since the dawn of history. Existing in either scattered tribal villages or in kingdoms and empires ruled by god-kings. All except for one rocky corner of the Mediterranean world where a new idea had taken root: the concept of free citizens who owed allegiance to their nation and not a king. They were imperfect, true; women’s rights were, well, a non-concept and although racism was largely unknown, equal-opportunity slavery was widespread. Still and all, though, they enjoyed a measure of freedom unknown in the stagnant empires of the Nile, Yangtze, Indus, and Tigris-Euphrates river valleys. They were not subjects, they were the world’s prototypical citizens. Unfortunately, just across the Aegean Sea the largest empire in the known world was looking Westward with greedy eyes. When word reached them that Emperor Xerxes of Persia was crossing the Dardanelles with an army of as many as 250,000 men, prospects for their continued freedom looked grim indeed. It would take time for the scattered city-states to raise their armies of citizen-soldiers, so those that could sent what contingents were available to serve in a ‘Multinational Field Force’ commanded by one of the two elected kings of Sparta, Leonidas. With its backbone provided by Leonidas’ bodyguard of 300 Spartan soldiers, the force numbered some 4,000. Leonidas positioned this group at the ‘Hot Gates’; Thermopylae, a narrow place on the coast road from the north, to hold back the Persian advance and buy time for the rest of the city-states to issue the call to arms. Manning a hastily-constructed wall across the narrow strip between mountains and sea, it was not long before the Greeks faced the massive Persian host assembled on the thin strip of coast ahead of them. When the defenders were not impressed into surrender by the sight of his army, Xerxes sent forth a herald offering simple terms “Lay down your weapons, and you will be allowed to live. Leonidas responded with the only answer a free citizen can give to that question: Molon Labe; ancient Greek for "Come and get them." To the brave men in that narrow pass so long ago, freedom was more important than anything; even their lives. May we ever remember that fact should we be issued the same degrading terms."
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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2009, 07:47:53 PM »
Molon Labe: "Come and Get them!" A Response to Tyranny-- Go and tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here, obedient to their laws, we lie."
In the 5th century BC, mankind was still living the way he had been since the dawn of history. Existing in either scattered tribal villages or in kingdoms and empires ruled by god-kings. All except for one rocky corner of the Mediterranean world where a new idea had taken root: the concept of free citizens who owed allegiance to their nation and not a king. They were imperfect, true; women’s rights were, well, a non-concept and although racism was largely unknown, equal-opportunity slavery was widespread. Still and all, though, they enjoyed a measure of freedom unknown in the stagnant empires of the Nile, Yangtze, Indus, and Tigris-Euphrates river valleys. They were not subjects, they were the world’s prototypical citizens. Unfortunately, just across the Aegean Sea the largest empire in the known world was looking Westward with greedy eyes. When word reached them that Emperor Xerxes of Persia was crossing the Dardanelles with an army of as many as 250,000 men, prospects for their continued freedom looked grim indeed. It would take time for the scattered city-states to raise their armies of citizen-soldiers, so those that could sent what contingents were available to serve in a ‘Multinational Field Force’ commanded by one of the two elected kings of Sparta, Leonidas. With its backbone provided by Leonidas’ bodyguard of 300 Spartan soldiers, the force numbered some 4,000. Leonidas positioned this group at the ‘Hot Gates’; Thermopylae, a narrow place on the coast road from the north, to hold back the Persian advance and buy time for the rest of the city-states to issue the call to arms. Manning a hastily-constructed wall across the narrow strip between mountains and sea, it was not long before the Greeks faced the massive Persian host assembled on the thin strip of coast ahead of them. When the defenders were not impressed into surrender by the sight of his army, Xerxes sent forth a herald offering simple terms “Lay down your weapons, and you will be allowed to live. Leonidas responded with the only answer a free citizen can give to that question: Molon Labe; ancient Greek for "Come and get them." To the brave men in that narrow pass so long ago, freedom was more important than anything; even their lives. May we ever remember that fact should we be issued the same degrading terms."

We should also remember how it ended, The Greeks held until a local farmer showed the Persians a goat track through the hills that allowed them to get behind Leonidas, who died with his men covering the retreat of the rest of the Greek force.

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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2009, 07:56:21 PM »
Traitor in the midst,....

But a story of stories regarding warriors.

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Re: Deadliest Warriors
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2009, 07:59:03 PM »
Traitor in the midst,....

But a story of stories regarding warriors.



Yes, they went back to back and fought to the death.

 

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