Front Sight

[Pathfinder]

I was listening to Gresham's show on podcast, and heard his comments - or lack of them - on Front Sight's training program. Having seen the briefly run TV show they did, I thought they were a major player.

Does anyone have first-hand experience with them and can comment on their training program? I'm just curious as to why Gresham might have invoked his grandmother's aphorism of "If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all".

Update: I found a bunch of stuff about RICO allegations (no resolution as yet it seems) having to do with his Disneyland for Shooters real estate deal; and a lawsuit against a blogger for saying he was Scientology (settled out of court), but most of the hits on Google were 4-9 years ago. Most of the comments on the actual training appear to be good.

Anything more up to date?

[philw]

I was listening to Gresham's show on podcast, and heard his comments - or lack of them - on Front Sight's training program. Having seen the briefly run TV show they did, I thought they were a major player.

Does anyone have first-hand experience with them and can comment on their training program? I'm just curious as to why Gresham might have invoked his grandmother's aphorism of "If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all".

I heard the same thing today when driving to work,   and thought the same thing

[ellis4538]

They had some legal trouble recently.  Word had it that they were not able to supply the advertised training and people who had paid in advance were seeking refunds. 

YOU HEAR ALL SORTS OF RUMORS SO FWIW!

Richard

PS:  From the TV program it seemed that they had some pretty neat training.

[Shiv]

I sent off for their information and watched the promotional DVD.  In my own mildly educated opinion, the DVD seemed to focus on the facility and the condos, and the new buildng projects.  The classes offered were fine, but taking the classes was tied into a lifetime membership that meant you could take several classes as many times as you wanted.  This could indicate that Frontsight might not have the confidence in their product, by offering unlimited access to a scheduled class, in that they don't expect to have full classes from professional consumers, police, military, etc..  But rather they rely on keeping members in those classes because they come there for the resort like amenities their membership affords them.

The weird thing is that through the whole presentation, and I can't say specifically why, but I kept getting this weird cultish feeling about the place.  It was probably my chronic paranoia flaring up, but I sensed there was more to the story than was on the DVD.

So there is my 2 pence worth!

[fightingquaker13]

I sent off for their information and watched the promotional DVD.  In my own mildly educated opinion, the DVD seemed to focus on the facility and the condos, and the new buildng projects.  The classes offered were fine, but taking the classes was tied into a lifetime membership that meant you could take several classes as many times as you wanted.  This could indicate that Frontsight might not have the confidence in their product, by offering unlimited access to a scheduled class, in that they don't expect to have full classes from professional consumers, police, military, etc..  But rather they rely on keeping members in those classes because they come there for the resort like amenities their membership affords them.

The weird thing is that through the whole presentation, and I can't say specifically why, but I kept getting this weird cultish feeling about the place.  It was probably my chronic paranoia flaring up, but I sensed there was more to the story than was on the DVD.

So there is my 2 pence worth!

As Sgt. Major Fox explained to me as a young ROTC cadet, there are two primary rules to combat and life.
Rule 1) Don't die.
Rule 2) Listen to your instincts, if they say run, then run. A weird cultish feel to a gun centered Florida development sounds like the dust jacket of a Carl Hiasson or Elmore Leonard novel. Run Away! Run Away!
FQ13 who will be going nowhere near the place

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[Sgt Z Squad]

I sent off for their information and watched the promotional DVD.  In my own mildly educated opinion, the DVD seemed to focus on the facility and the condos, and the new buildng projects.  The classes offered were fine, but taking the classes was tied into a lifetime membership that meant you could take several classes as many times as you wanted.  

I got the same package. You can take the classes without becoming a First Family Member. Price for the Four Day handgun course is $2000. The training looks good and for those who are looking for a community like this, great. I thought the 4th of July scene with Ignatius kissing his wife was a little corny but we don't see that anymore, God bless them.

When you are an entrepreneur stepping outside of the box, you are bound to make some enemies. Right?

My son and I are going to try to take the four day class in a year or two. Price is up there. We will see. Saving the shekels, just hope O Bam Bam leaves me a couple.

[JC5123]

Signed up for their E newsletter and after getting two editions I promptly canceled. One of the articles was 5 paragraphs on why you shouldn't practice very much. That if you use their "proven" techniques you'll be shooting like a Navy SEAL in 5 days. And that too much practice is actually bad, because it reinforces bad habits... HUH! So what you are saying is that the shooters of SEALs and Delta should be getting worse since they fire around 50,000 rds per year, per man???

After reading this and some other questionable information, that I know ffor myself was BS, I had to say No Mas. and canceled. I have actually gotten better info from this forum than from their news letters.

[Texas_Bryan]

And that too much practice is actually bad, because it reinforces bad habits... HUH! So what you are saying is that the shooters of SEALs and Delta should be getting worse since they fire around 50,000 rds per year, per man???

I'd rather have the bad habits down pat and know how to work around them, than to be in panic mode because I don't know how to do anything.

[twyacht]

I'd rather have the bad habits down pat and know how to work around them, than to be in panic mode because I don't know how to do anything.

"Amateurs train until they get it right, professionals train until they cannot get it wrong. If you've seen police qualifications, you know this is false. Amateurs train until they get it right, professionals train no more than they are paid to."
E. Charles

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
Bruce Lee

Practice, practice, practice! I will always be learning and practicing on my approach to firearms.

[sgtmac]

Front Sight had a TV show awhile back where the pitted a civilian that had just been through a course against  former and current military and police, The did pistol, long gun etc, It was just one long ad, the civilian always won because the "experts" always made a mistake. In one, the cop, who I think said he was SWAT, braced his rifle BARREL, on the edge of a METAL drum, stupid crap like that. I have never heard a good thing about them, seen them in a magazine, in a ad or write up. I would use caution with them, atleast do a ton of research and background info. As far as I can tell, they are not on our list of approved schools, but that does not mean to much. If you take a course, let us know how it goes.

Not trying to start crap, just my observations!