Fed legislation introduced to require gun show background checks

[alfsauve]

Okay the text of the bill is now available.   Here some highlights, er lowlights.

  GUN SHOW- The term `gun show' means any event--
(A) at which 50 or more firearms are offered or exhibited for sale, transfer, or exchange, if 1 or more of the firearms has been shipped or transported in, or otherwise affects, interstate or foreign commerce; and
(B) at which--
(i) not fewer than 20 percent of the exhibitors are firearm exhibitors;
(ii) there are not fewer than 10 firearm exhibitors; or
(iii) 50 or more firearms are offered for sale, transfer, or exchange


And of course the onus is put on the back of the gun show promoter.  And yes, it is any "event" which could be interpreted to include forums and bulletin boards, not just physical gatherings.

Here's the whole bloody thing.  It stomps all over "peaceably assemble"  ---- first amendment.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.843:

[Hazcat]

Okay the text of the bill is now available.   Here some highlights, er lowlights.

  GUN SHOW- The term `gun show' means any event--
(A) at which 50 or more firearms are offered or exhibited for sale, transfer, or exchange, if 1 or more of the firearms has been shipped or transported in, or otherwise affects, interstate or foreign commerce; and
(B) at which--
(i) not fewer than 20 percent of the exhibitors are firearm exhibitors;
(ii) there are not fewer than 10 firearm exhibitors; or
(iii) 50 or more firearms are offered for sale, transfer, or exchange


That alone covers every 'event'.

And of course the onus is put on the back of the gun show promoter.  And yes, it is any "event" which could be interpreted to include forums and bulletin boards, not just physical gatherings.

Here's the whole bloody thing.  It stomps all over "peaceably assemble"  ---- first amendment.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.843:

[Maximilian]

Forget the Transfer. If this passes Eric Holder will be CEO of all Gun Shows.

Sec. 932. Regulation of firearms transfers at gun shows

      `(a) Registration of Gun Show Promoters- It shall be unlawful for any person to organize, plan, promote, or operate a gun show unless that person--

            `(1) registers with the Attorney General in accordance with regulations promulgated by the Attorney General; and

            `(2) pays a registration fee, in an amount determined by the Attorney General.

Yep, waters almost boiling


-Max

[TAB]

If there's no background check, or transaction record at gunshows, how the f*** does he know that 30% number.  One more case of some anti-gun asshat pulling a number out of his ass and nobody calling him on it!!

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Very hard to prove it happend at a gun show, but very easy to prove it happen FTF.   

There are only 2 things that could happen after the gun is sold from a FFL, it was stolen, or sold FTF.  If its never reported, it was most likly sold FTF. 

I can't stress this enough, if you have a gun stolen, report it asap.  Not only will it stop arguments like they are making, it will also cover your butt and have a chance of you getting it back.

[tombogan03884]

Forget the Transfer. If this passes Eric Holder will be CEO of all Gun Shows.

Yep, waters almost boiling


-Max

I don't know what the water temp is, but I know I'm getting pretty STEAMED.

[Sponsor]

[blackwolfe]

If there's no background check, or transaction record at gunshows, how the f*** does he know that 30% number.  One more case of some anti-gun asshat pulling a number out of his ass and nobody calling him on it!!

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Never let facts or truth get in the way of your argument.

Very hard to prove it happend at a gun show, but very easy to prove it happen FTF.  

There are only 2 things that could happen after the gun is sold from a FFL, it was stolen, or sold FTF.  If its never reported, it was most likly sold FTF. 

I can't stress this enough, if you have a gun stolen, report it asap.  Not only will it stop arguments like they are making, it will also cover your butt and have a chance of you getting it back.

Don't count on it.  I wish I could find the information again and recall more clearly the facts, but a report or study that I read awhile ago was pretty dismal.  To summerize, one problem is that many owners often fail to record serial numbers and even though the theft is reported, no S/N to track it if it is recovered.  Another huge problem is local law enforcement often fails in two major ways.  Failing to forward the theft reports and S/N to state and federal agencies for data bases and again in the recovery and confiscation of guns from bad guys.   Law enforcement fails to follow through when they run checks on the guns recovered to return them to lawful owners.  The failure to follow up is one mostly of failure to finish the job as opposed to a no return policy.
Another problem in law enforcement reporting and tracking stolen firearms is typos in recording and entering S/N into reports and data bases.  I have been told of this first hand by LEO.  When impouded firearms were being physically tranfered I think from local to state officials for destuction, S/N were run again.  They had several that came back as stolen that had originally cleared because of typos when originally run.  At least in that instance local LEO followed up on it and found the owner and was actually able to go back and file charges against the BG they recovered the guns from.
Basically the report said that if you report stolen firearms and have a record of the S/N make sure that you follow up and make sure that the  proper information is forwarded to state and federal authorities and entered into the proper databases.  I'm not sure how you're suppose to do that other than writing a lot of letters and making phone calls.

 

[TAB]

I'll take a 1 out of a XXXX chance over a 0 out of XXXX chance any day of the week.

[MikeBjerum]

... and have a chance of you getting it back.

In our small community and County it will help in getting it back if it stays local.  However, our Sheriff has told me that they are advised not to return them unless every form is filled out 100% accurate including all numbers and description.  He also said that if it leaves his jurisdiction the chances of him getting control to give it back are on the none side of slim and none. 

Law enforcement uses situations like this and confiscations like happened to Haz as a way of taking guns away for good.  I have been looking for the numbers on how many New Orleans guns were ever returned.  I read the information in a media report (not NRA or the likes, but a liberal rag), and it is a large percentage that is still being held and headed for destruction soon.

[Hazcat]

In our small community and County it will help in getting it back if it stays local.  However, our Sheriff has told me that they are advised not to return them unless every form is filled out 100% accurate including all numbers and description.  He also said that if it leaves his jurisdiction the chances of him getting control to give it back are on the none side of slim and none. 

Law enforcement uses situations like this and confiscations like happened to Haz as a way of taking guns away for good.  I have been looking for the numbers on how many New Orleans guns were ever returned.  I read the information in a media report (not NRA or the likes, but a liberal rag), and it is a large percentage that is still being held and headed for destruction soon.

M58,

The NRA won the suit BUT most of the guns are 'gone' or a rusted mess.  Nothing against the NRA, they did their part but from what I have read probably 60% f the guns will never be returned.  The rules are you have to have a receipt which most were refused to be given.  OR you need a sales receipt with s/n.  Grandpas guns doesn't have one of those.

So they still were very successful in ripping off and disarming law abiding citizens.

[MikeBjerum]

M58,

The NRA won the suit BUT most of the guns are 'gone' or a rusted mess.  Nothing against the NRA, they did their part but from what I have read probably 60% f the guns will never be returned.  The rules are you have to have a receipt which most were refused to be given.  OR you need a sales receipt with s/n.  Grandpas guns doesn't have one of those.

So they still were very successful in ripping off and disarming law abiding citizens.

That's what I was talking about.  When you find the actual numbers it is HUGE !!!  Disarming citizens is disarming citizens, and New Orleans won a small victory in the face of what we thought was the gun owner's victory