A 'must have' for the auto window shelf or the man who has everything...

[Fatman]

I need some more mags. Because of New Jerky. Currently, I have to unload all my freakin' mags loaded with real defensive ammo and reload them with NJ legal don't blame me when these over penetrate and hit you, NJ made me do it FMJ rounds when going into NJ. Then I have put the real rounds back in when I get back into PA because 'controlled expansion' is company policy. Easier to just get extra mags and keep three loaded with FMJ and three with HSTs.

Anyway, I was researching DuraCoat in case Springfield won't sell me black XD 45 mags - you have to get them through their LEO division for some odd, unknown reason. I found this at one of the sites and thought I'd share...




http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?ID=bobble&image=boblehed.gif&frameset=1

[fightingquaker13]

OK, you're telling me that New Jersey is actually requiring FMJ? The least effective, and as you point out, the most likely to cause collateral damage, round out there? (I knew there was a reason that I wish that those folks would choose to die at home rather than move to "God's Waiting Room", formerly known as Florida). I can sort of, maybe, kind of, see banning +P rounds (not really but work with me) for fear of over penetration in built up areas, like apartment buildings.  REQUIRING a round that will do that, plus require multiple shots to stop someone, as opposed to one or two rounds, is so far beyond stupid that you can't even see it in the rearview mirror. Personally I carry Federal Hydra-shocks, not the best round out there, but what the local PD uses, so I figure that it will look Kosher in court if I ever do have to actually shoot somebody. FMJ is just plain irresponsible unless your gun won't cycle anything else. In which case, its time to buy a new gun, reason three that I no longer own a kel-tec. I have to say, that if you want to move to Florida, you're welcome, as long as you trade your house with someone from Jersey.
FQ13

[tt11758]

I would guess that some teary-eyed, pencil-necked, knee-jerk liberal asshat convinced the other asshats in the NJ legistlature that rounds that expand "serve only one purpose and that's to kill people".  MUCH safer to be slinging around loads that leave through and through wound cavities, strike the people BEHIND the bad guy, and only serve to piss the bad guy off UNLESS you just completely swiss-cheese his ass.

The brilliance of government in action.

[Timothy]

You can have them in the home but cannot carry them off your property.

Jaybet should chime in on this one....

[tombogan03884]

Geneva convention approved. No "Dum Dum" ammo. Apparently it is more "humane" to shoot your opponent repeatedly rather than using a round that will end the fight with one solid hit. These are the same restrictions our military is forced to endure.

[Sponsor]

[Timothy]

Actually Tom, your the history guy so you should know it was the Hague Convention of 1899 that calls for non-flattening projectiles...

 

[tombogan03884]

That sounds better. Because the British had to stop using the ammo produced at the factory in Dum Dum India (hence the name) during the Boer war which ran from 1898 - 1900.
My reading (Kipling's book) just said "International convention" I forgot about the Hague and assumed Geneva.

[Fatman]

I now live in PA, left NJ years ago. To paraphrase Monty Python and the Holy Grail , "On second thought lets NOT go to New Jersey, tis a silly place." I can't believe I stayed as long as I did.

The restriction on "Dum Dum Bullets"  goes back quite some time. Yep they reaaaally call them that in the statutes   Only LEOs can have them loaded in carry weapons, and while you can own them, keep them on your property and shoot them at a range (ammo must be separate from the firearm and 'inaccessible' while in transit directly to and from a range) I'm not quite sure what the prosecutors would do if you actually used them in self defense on your property. If I remember, the use of  'Dum - Dums' for self defense can be considered by the DA as 'malicious intent' upon the obviously entitled,  hard working miscreant you just shot during a forcible felony.

The jury is still out on XFMJ or filled cavity bullets as it is perceived the DAs might pull a 'that's an attempt to skirt the law' and apply charges 'in the spirit of the law'.  I don't want to be the guinea pig.

[tombogan03884]

Sad part is that "Dum Dum's were simply flat tipped (truncated cone ?) the main reason they expanded was because they were unjacketed lead.

[Fatman]

Box o' Truth and 'Dum Dums"

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot32.htm