2010 Census

[tombogan03884]

Love the Don Trionni paintings used to illustrate the Drop Kick Murphy   version of the "Fighting 69th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9D38J0yH9w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKMbWUieQE4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMK74QQp8M8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwOmYNvISnM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcglqmrvPxw&feature=related

[fightingquaker13]

Love the Don Trionni paintings used to illustrate the Drop Kick Murphy   version of the "Fighting 69th.

Good catch on the paintings. You know, what has always amazed me about his stuff (out of the closet Civil War geek here) is how he manged to get the grass right. Its a stupid thing, but honestly, how do you manage to paint every single blade of grass and have them bending in the wind?  I don't get it.
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[alfsauve]

....snip... To use the example about toliets, that is of vital interest to your city utilities manager who needs to predict water usage so there is an adequate supply.... snip.........

Sorry I don't buy that example.   In most location's, between the building permits and the real estate tax rolls the government already knows exactly how many houses and how many toilets.  I seriously doubt that any water management planning is done by anything other than just the head count.  It's really a function of the number of people rather than the number of toilets.

The government doesn't really NEED to be snooping into our lives to the extent that the Title 13 allows.  They just WANT to snoop for social engineering purposes.

[fightingquaker13]

Sorry I don't buy that example.   In most location's, between the building permits and the real estate tax rolls the government already knows exactly how many houses and how many toilets.  I seriously doubt that any water management planning is done by anything other than just the head count.  It's really a function of the number of people rather than the number of toilets.

The government doesn't really NEED to be snooping into our lives to the extent that the Title 13 allows.  They just WANT to snoop for social engineering purposes.

I get your larger political point. I don't want to decend into geekdom, but there is a point to be made. My uncle was the city engineer for West Palm Beach. Given the fact that our sewer system is old (as in so old there aren't even maps of pipe lines for older neighborhoods) and that our water table is very low, trying to avoid backflow of sewage into the system is a very real day to day issue. Within the last year, we have had three 72 hour boil water notices, while they try to locate and modernize the pipes. All this is done with federal grants. The thing is that knowing whether you have low water or regular toilets actually makes a difference in terms of the sewage pipes and water capacity needed. I'm not making an argument for Big Brother here, I'm just pointing out that there is another side to it, and that a lot of folks need info to do the jobs we're paying them to do.
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[alfsauve]

And that's all you're legally required to say (unless the law has changed, my info is current as of 1992). Its like talking to the cops. There are exactly three rules: you can't lie, you have to give your name and address, and if there are exigent circumstances, you have to provide the relevant data. Beyond that, its up to you.

Sorry but here again I must disagree.   There are fines for incomplete or false answers.

Understand, I  DO NOT LIKE IT.  But the US Code, Title 13, Chapter 7, Section 221 says.

      (a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
    willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
    other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
    or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
    Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
    knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
    connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
    II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
    the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
    farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
    more than $100.
      (b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
    of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
    described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
    false, shall be fined not more than $500.

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[fightingquaker13]

Sorry but here again I must disagree.   There are fines for incomplete or false answers.

Understand, I  DO NOT LIKE IT.  But the US Code, Title 13, Chapter 7, Section 221 says.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the post. Its always good when you learn something.
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[tombogan03884]

In other words it's less expensive to not answer than to lie.

[tfr270]

I have a $100 right here...

But, c'mon...GPS coordinates. What for?

[JC5123]

Sorry but here again I must disagree.   There are fines for incomplete or false answers.

Understand, I  DO NOT LIKE IT.  But the US Code, Title 13, Chapter 7, Section 221 says.

But isn't the Census already tainted and bogus since the White House Chief of Staff is the one running it?? I always thought that the census was a non partisan head count. That's it. They have already told us this is about politics. I'm with M'ette and Tom on this one.
Name, Rank, and Serial Number.

[alfsauve]

I'm not making an argument for Big Brother here, I'm just pointing out that there is another side to it,

I think we're on the same page.   Some information is needed to carry out the functions we've impowered local governments to do, but generally that's on the local or at most regional level.