Wisconsin Court Upholds GPS Tracking By Police

[brosometal]

The reason that I asked the question I did was the use of technology.  200 years ago you didn't have high powered binoculars to observe someone unseen.  If you break the basics down here, it is just another technological leap, in essence, a higher powered binocular.  I am as libertarian as they come, but I don't see a GPS as an unwarranted search.  I would have a problem, however, with a GPS on or in a person without his personal consent.

I'm not attempting to be contrary, but I just don't see the the unwarranted search, because it is in "plain sight", so to speak.  Help me out here brethren.

[twyacht]

Remember the voluntary consumer that gets the Northstar system, Lojack, hell, cell phones have them.  There is AIS (Automated Identification System), gives you the name of the vessel on any screen in the marine industry, consumers sign up for the chance to be tracked, monitored, and sometimes INVESTIGATED; divorce cases have used this data to prove infidelity, work vehicles (my work van has one), to check on lunch breaks, actual travel time etc,...

DSC, (Digital Selective Calling), They know who, what, and where through a subscriber number we voluntarily sign up for. Sure it helps and saves lives in an emergency. BUT,there is something "unnerving" about how much to give "them" access to.

Back in the day, when my old Mustang overheated back in the days before cellphones, it would have been nice to push a button and reach out and touch someone, myself, like a lot of members here, I did it the "old fashioned way". Fixed it on the side of the road in a McGyver kind of way, bummed a ride, walked...

Consumers opened the door for the convenience, now the marketing has taken it to truly be Big Brother.

Where were you at 5:53 p.m. April 10th?,..... Can't remember?,..... No problem,..... We'll find out.

Makes me a little wary, and I install and service in this stuff....

[tombogan03884]

That's it, we will lose the last vestiges of our privacy and liberty not to oppression, but to consumer products and "safety devices". Look at cell phones, 20 years ago they were an idea,nowadays we have people stumbling around who can not function without an earbud stuck in their head.

[deepwater]

There is AIS (Automated Identification System), gives you the name of the vessel on any screen in the marine industry,

there's concern that terrorists, pirates whatever try to use this stuff. you can find out where most commercial vessels are within a few hours and where they've been just by lookin it up on the internet. makes you nervous when you contract out to the gov. and so make yourself a nice target. I can see the lo-jack etc.. stuff being abused this way in the future. hope not though.

[brosometal]

That's it, we will lose the last vestiges of our privacy and liberty not to oppression, but to consumer products and "safety devices". Look at cell phones, 20 years ago they were an idea,nowadays we have people stumbling around who can not function without an earbud stuck in their head.

You hurt my bluetooth's feelings.  He is sensitive.

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[Pathfinder]

The reason that I asked the question I did was the use of technology.  200 years ago you didn't have high powered binoculars to observe someone unseen.  If you break the basics down here, it is just another technological leap, in essence, a higher powered binocular.  I am as libertarian as they come, but I don't see a GPS as an unwarranted search.  I would have a problem, however, with a GPS on or in a person without his personal consent.

I'm not attempting to be contrary, but I just don't see the the unwarranted search, because it is in "plain sight", so to speak.  Help me out here brethren.

Good points, but legally (at least up here) you cannot use binoculars to peer into a window where the shades had been pulled down so only a small opening exists. Same thing as not walking up to the window and trying to peer in. Plain sight actually has a legal definition apparently, and it has to do with not having to take any action to actually be able to see, like using binoculars, trespass, etc.

Sticking a gps recorder out of sight on personal property definitely violates that no action clause, court ruling to the contrary.

[Rastus]

Good points, but legally (at least up here) you cannot use binoculars to peer into a window where the shades had been pulled down so only a small opening exists. Same thing as not walking up to the window and trying to peer in. Plain sight actually has a legal definition apparently, and it has to do with not having to take any action to actually be able to see, like using binoculars, trespass, etc.

Sticking a gps recorder out of sight on personal property definitely violates that no action clause, court ruling to the contrary.

This says what I could not.

[brosometal]

I just found out I can use my phone for posts. I blame it on the GPS.

I have a better idea of "plain sight" if the above definition is to be believed (Reagan taught me to trust but verify).  That wad more along the lines of what I was looking for.

It is an erosion of rights and needs to be pursued further.
Oring