SR556

[Ping]

For 2K, it had better come with a M-203 or shotgun underneath, lol.  Just kidding. Like the gas piston idea. $2,000 I would spend for a 6.8 SPC or .308 AR for the zombies.

[Hazcat]

For 2K, it had better come with a M-203 or shotgun underneath, lol.  Just kidding. Like the gas piston idea. $2,000 I would spend for a 6.8 SPC or .308 AR for the zombies.

Bushmaster 6.8, 16in barrel, A3 handle $980.00

[fightingquaker13]

Bushmaster 6.8, 16in barrel, A3 handle $980.00

Does this include all 12boxes of 6.8 ammo available? It seems like a really nice round, but I sure wouldn't buy it unless I reloaded. As you have said many times Haz, let someone else do the beta testing (in this case to see if it becomes popular enough to be widely available).
FQ13

[brosometal]

I heard the wind blowing and the rain coming in sideways and now I know why.  On the surface the gun in question seems to be well suited for an upcoming contract battle with Colt.  There has been a bunch of howling about the $2k price tag.  Market forces will stabilize any perceived over-pricing.

As far as the extras, I have being scouring for parts for a stripped lower I'm putting together and there are none to be had.  I love Pmags and would like to expand my collection, there are few to be had. I would point most here back to the market forces along with the development of the piston system.  Wha La, you have your $2k price point.  Right now if I had the $2k and the availability this would be a no brainer, a one-stop-shop.  I would pay for the availability (damn those market forces again).

The only question I have is why no folding stock?  Less expensive to manufacture, but it does throw off the balance a bit.  And if you are going to spend the time to throw on the collapsible stock, partner up with Magpul and make it worth the while.

Just my $2k err $0.02 worth. (Now time for house work.  I shoulda spent more time writing for an excuse.)

[ericire12]

Does this include all 12boxes of 6.8 ammo available? It seems like a really nice round, but I sure wouldn't buy it unless I reloaded. As you have said many times Haz, let someone else do the beta testing (in this case to see if it becomes popular enough to be widely available).
FQ13

6.8 is nearly identical in ballistic performance as the tried and true .243

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[bryand71]

I wish for every manufacturer to make ARs. More AR's could eventually mean prices go down, mare competition means better AR's and if we put a few in everyone's homes, they'll be harder for the government to ever take. I hope Ruger puts out an SR556 tailored for hunting, similar to Remington's R15 and R25. That removes the arguments that these typs of guns aren't used for hunting.

Until a huge amount of attitudes change in CA, I won't be able to get the Ruger, but I'll keep taking anti's to the range. It's amazing how that's the easiest way to change their minds.

Yeah, I bet the Swiss never thought the general population would be looking to take the rifles out of all the houses in that country either.


By MATTI HUUHTANEN, Associated Press Writer Matti Huuhtanen, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 18 mins ago

HELSINKI – Several European countries have restricted gun laws in the wake of school massacres, gang violence and other gun-related crimes:

_Finland announced plans Wednesday to impose stricter restrictions on firearms, including raising the minimum age for handgun ownership from 15 to 20. The proposal was prompted by two school massacres within a year in which lone gunmen opened fire on classmates and teachers.

_Germany, where a gunman killed at least 11 people Wednesday, raised the legal age for owning recreational firearms from 18 to 21 following a 2002 shooting in Erfurt that killed 16 people, including 12 teachers.

_Belgian lawmakers passed strict new gun control laws in 2006 in reaction to the racially motivated shooting deaths of a toddler and her black baby sitter in Antwerp.

_Swiss citizens are demanding a referendum aimed at confining army weapons to military compounds and banning private purchases of pump-action rifles and automatic weapons — following a spate of suicides and homicides.

_The Portuguese Parliament is currently discussing a government proposal to tighten gun laws, including denying bail to anyone suspected of a gun crime.

_Denmark's government said last week it will raise the penalty for illegal gun possession as part of a crackdown on gang violence that has killed three people and injured 25 in recent months.

_European Union lawmakers proposed tighter gun control across the bloc last year, including guidelines saying that only people over 18 not deemed a threat to public safety could buy and keep guns. EU members have until 2010 to adopt the measures.

[RTFM]

But it's a Ruger, so holding true to Bills philosophy it will only hold 10 rounds to keep us safe/
Rugers new tag line - Were unique - just like every one else. 


*yawn* still have not seen a Ruger (besides my 10-22) that I actually like......
And the 10-22 is more sentimental than anything else.

[tombogan03884]

"_Swiss citizens are demanding a referendum aimed at confining army weapons to military compounds and banning private purchases of pump-action rifles and automatic weapons — following a spate of suicides and homicides."

Bryand71, I remember reading about this, Like here it is not a "majority", simply a few loudmouths who got the ear of the media.

[ericire12]

But it's a Ruger, so holding true to Bills philosophy it will only hold 10 rounds to keep us safe/

He is probably spinning in his grave

[Michael Bane]

Guys...apples...oranges...rocks...strange comparisons abound!

First, Bill Ruger Sr. died in 2002. Bill Ruger Jr. retired from the company in 2006. The current management of the public company that is Ruger has nothing whatsoever to do with whatever the previous management of the company did. Unless you have an Ouija board or a private number for John Edwards, you cannot "send a message" to Bill Ruger Sr. And no apologies are necessary. It sort of reminds me of the time I was asked whether as a Southerner — Tennessee born and bred — I felt an "obligation" to apologize for slavery. My exact response was (eloquently), "Kiss my ass."

Lots of gun companies have done amazingly antigun things at various times, but that's usually cured with a management change.

A Mini with an AR mag? Where's the win for Ruger? They sell a lot of Minis as it is (all they can make as a matter of fact, and with 20 and 30 round magazines) and if they'd retooled it for an AR mag, I'd probably be reading, "You can put lipstick on a pig," etc.

The price? Baseline for gas-piston guns. How do I know? I walked the floor at the NRA Show, went to the booths of people who made gas-piston ARs, pointed at a gun and asked how much it cost. Can you build a cheaper gas-piston gun? Yes, and when you are finished you will have a cheap gas-piston gun and an account at Midway USA.

Is gas-piston the panacea it's presented to be? No, it's not. I like that they run cleaner and can be easily tuned to fire virtually any ammo, but I default to the comments of a Special Forces friend of mine who said (eloquently), "Dude, we know how to make M4s run just fine, and everybody I hit with mine fell down."

Does Ruger use parts from other manufacturers? Yes, and why exactly does that matter? Premium parts happen to be, duh, perceived as premium and people desire them on their guns...that is why Bill Wilson owns his own hunting preserve in Africa and I don't. As my friends at Stag Arms — who do indeed build more of their ARs than any other company in America — have discovered, the people who then buy the guns strip off the existing parts and replace them with the premium parts. One makes money by giving the buying public what they want.

Does the market perceive gas-piston guns as a desirable upgrade? Absolutely, unequivocally yes. The two key trends in black rifles right now is the move to gas-piston systems and calibers other than 5.56. How do I know this? I went to the heads of the black rifle companies over the weekend and asked them. ALL of them are sitting on major new product announcements, but they don't want to draw manufacturing capacity away from the backorders.

Ammo? See my recent posts on the Michael Bane Blog:

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/05/ammo.html
http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/05/yawnill-be-sleeping-later.html

Also, this may come as a shock to those of you who believe Bill Ruger is actually controlling the entire firearms market from his grave, but not a single person I spoke to credited him as the malevolent presence behind the current ammunition shortage.

Why no folding stock? The Ruger has a standard spring and buffer tube...I took mine apart and looked.

Is the Para Tactical Target Rifle way cool? Yes, absolutely...Al Z-Man Zita is one of the neatest and smartest guys in the industry, and his patented non-piston revamped gas system is slick, debugged and allows a folding stock. It costs $2200, BTW.

Michael B