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Timothy

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 09:36:15 PM »
The information was for machining quality which should equate to accuracy, Yes?

Question....I don't shoot rifles much any more and never needed to know MOA though I have no problem with the equation or understanding it.  How many rifles come off the shelf, without custom shop work and can shoot 1 minute of angle consistantly?

What of breaking in of barrels, etc...equates to accuracy?  Other than competition, what real world need, other than long range scout snipers would one need or even care if a rifle could shoot 1/2" groups at 1000 yards (1 MOA @1000 yds = .47")

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 09:56:20 PM »
The information was for machining quality which should equate to accuracy, Yes?

Question....I don't shoot rifles much any more and never needed to know MOA though I have no problem with the equation or understanding it.  How many rifles come off the shelf, without custom shop work and can shoot 1 minute of angle consistantly?

What of breaking in of barrels, etc...equates to accuracy?  Other than competition, what real world need, other than long range scout snipers would one need or even care if a rifle could shoot 1/2" groups at 1000 yards (1 MOA @1000 yds = .47")
Actually, my understanding of MOA (and I could about be proven very wrong here, though I did get the cactus thing right) is 1 MOA = 1" at one hundred yards. Something my Ruger M77 .270 will beat shooting seated. I can put three into the bottom of a beer can at that range with 130 gr Rem green box soft points pretty reliably, and I'm not that great a shot. I can hit the can at 200 off an improvised rest (otherwise known as a sand bag on my truck hood), and thats plenty good enough for me with a deer rifle. No complaints about ruger accuracy from me. At least until it comes to the mini 14, where, well they sold 20 round mags for a reason, but still acceptable for 5- 6" at 100yds, but I'll admit that that is pushing it.
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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2009, 10:08:14 PM »
Actually, my understanding of MOA (and I could about be proven very wrong here, though I did get the cactus thing right) is 1 MOA = 1" at one hundred yards.
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Actually 1.047" @ 100 yards and 3.49" @ 1000 (.44 = 1/8 MOA @ 1000)

300' x 2 = 600' x 12" = 7200"
7200" x pi = circumfrence of 22620"
c/360 = 62.63/60 min = 1.047" or 1 moa @100 yards.

I think the bottom of a beer can at 100 yards is close enough for government work! ;D

ps...thanks to my 10th grade geometry teacher.....who'd a thunk I'd ever need to know that stuff after all these years!

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2009, 10:09:27 PM »
I love my 4 Ruger Blackhawks, Redhawk, single six, Mark II, and 10/22.  All are excellent quality.

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2009, 10:18:19 PM »
The information was for machining quality which should equate to accuracy, Yes?

Question....I don't shoot rifles much any more and never needed to know MOA though I have no problem with the equation or understanding it.  How many rifles come off the shelf, without custom shop work and can shoot 1 minute of angle consistantly?

What of breaking in of barrels, etc...equates to accuracy?  Other than competition, what real world need, other than long range scout snipers would one need or even care if a rifle could shoot 1/2" groups at 1000 yards (1 MOA @1000 yds = .47")

I really like the quality of the new Hawkeye in 223 and the LCR I bought.  I liked the quality put into the SR9 I gave away....I just didn't like the damned 10-1/2 lb trigger after the recall....I would have kept it had I known the sucky trigger was coming back.  The 223 trigger isn't bad and the LCR's trigger is really good, I think, for a production snubbie.  The LCR cylinder is well machined, everything seems to be timed perfectly and the action is smooth...I stay on target as well as anything else double acting I shoot. 

I sure wish they'd make an optional 4-7 lb trigger so I could buy another SR9.  Dang I loved that gun...1,500 rounds, nary a failure...shot dirty, shot clean, shot well....Oh well, a friend has it now....Instead I'm carrying a CZ 75 when the LCR isn't in my pocket.

And that Hawkeye...well inside 3/4" at 100 yards from a rest with Winchester Supremes....5 shot group.  I have no complaints about the Hawkeye or the trigger that comes with it.....and I really, really, like the controlled round feed.  I tend to feed the weapon very slowly whilst watching a target...something I guess I need to train out of...but the controlled round feed solves my past problems of slow feed so I'm really happy with it.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2009, 10:27:33 PM »
As to the Ruger not being a 1 moa gun maker if you read the Gunblast review the worst group was 1.75 inches. The smallest was 0.675. with 3 types of ammo shooting under an inch. That is exceptional accuracy in my book especially for a 16 inch barreled semi auto.

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2009, 10:29:50 PM »
As to the Ruger not being a 1 moa gun maker if you read the Gunblast review the worst group was 1.75 inches. The smallest was 0.675. with 3 types of ammo shooting under an inch. That is exceptional accuracy in my book ecpecially for a 16 inch barreled semi auto.

Good Point!

As too the Mini-14's accuracy...several years ago, actually decades,  I had the pleasure of shooting a few hundred rounds from one and managed to put several 30 round mags into a rimfire target at about 200 yards.  Not alot of target left when I was done.  Plenty accurate for what it was intended for...

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2009, 10:49:36 PM »
The mini 14 is a prime example of "we need to not measure a tool with a scale it was not intended for."  Comparing a mini 14 to a 700 or m79 is like comparing a Bushnell Trophy red dot to an Aim Point or EoTech.  All are great tools for what they were intended.  However while they were intended to do the same basic job, they aren't intended to do it in the same situation or at the same level of excellence.
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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2009, 10:51:08 PM »
The mini 14 is a prime example of "we need to not measure a tool with a scale it was not intended for."  Comparing a mini 14 to a 700 or m79 is like comparing a Bushnell Trophy red dot to an Aim Point or EoTech.  All are great tools for what they were intended.  However while they were intended to do the same basic job, they aren't intended to do it in the same situation or at the same level of excellence.

Another great point!

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Re: Ruger Quality
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2009, 12:27:07 AM »
 One of the guys I go shooting with has a 1/2 dozen each M77's and Rem 700's The Rugers are consistently giving him one hole groups at 100 yards with hand loads when he has a rem. in the same caliber the accuracy is not QUITE as good (still plenty good enough for what I would want ) Can't comment on the Mini, never shot one, except for the .22 I've NEVER liked their semi auto pistols.

Figures it was TAB, why am I not surprised ?

 

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