Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches

[DesertMarine]

Haz, like I said, this kind of stuff gets to me.  Why is it that events are alarming when "white" people are being affected rather than when all Americans are being affected? 

I have cousins that have served and some still in Border Patrol and police departments and I see their attitudes, not good.  Like some else stated, Cops good, everybody else enemy.   In a way it is sad, cause I am sure that there a lot of guys in this forum that if they see something bad happening to a LEO would want to help.  I know I would but I would be leary of it, wondering how my help would be received and reprucussions afterwards.

I was thinking of my stop at Border Patrol check station and what would have happened if they had checked my truck and found, which would be easy, my 1911 (cocked/locked) and 38 snubbie.  Incidently, in New Mexico and Texas, it is legal to carry firearms, loaded/unloaded, hidden/in the open when travelling. 

Sgt Z, and the guys that do law enforcement in an honorable way, thanks for doing it.

[tombogan03884]

DM, it's BS when this happens to any citizen, to be honest, if he had been an illegal alien of European decent, I would probably say F him. As I have said (typed) many times, (and practiced in my personal life) I don't care about the ancestry of my friends and co workers, my beef is not with aliens (hell, my sister married one ) it's the Illegal part that irks me.
ALL who are here legally should be treated politely, illegals however are taking their own chances.

[DesertMarine]

Agree with you Tom.  Though even illegals are persons and should be treated right.  As I understand it, coming into the country illeagly is a civil crime, not a criminal offense.  I have friends who are illegaly here and relatives that live with or have married illegals.  I look at that differently, don't see it as being as bad as it generally made out to be.  The solutions are easy but no one has the will or guts to do it.  We have "patriotic" Americans who for making a buck, pay and bring them in to work or will hire them to save a few dollars an hour.  But, I guess it is not against the law to hire illegals, so when they lose the current illegals, they just hire and bring in more.  Make it illegal to hire them and prosecute and jail those who do.  Job market would dry up quick.  But that is too simple and not politically correct.

[TAB]

And I didn't even mention how they were chopping many of the stolen cars in NO a few years before Katrina.  You park in the wrong spot....you get towed.  Simple enough, you should have gotten towed parking in the wrong spot...then again, nice car, almost parking where it wasn't supposed to be...ooops...it's gone too.  Now, go to the impound to pick up your car....ooops, it never checked in, must be stolen sorry.  Sometimes they were in the yard about to be moved to the chop shop...sometimes they were already there.

Low pay in New Orleans, yes.  But, did you know that there is Louisiana State Supplemental pay for LEO's?  The state pays an extra $450/month to them....maybe a bit more.  That's not a huge amount, but it has to help.  I think low pay for police attracts a bad element everywhere...or rather increase the pool of poor candidates.  Want to know why?  Well, to pass taxes of course...we need a penny sales tax so we can increase police salaries XXXX dollars...and it gets worded so that most of the money has to go to general fund and so little a bit to police..."  It's for the children."  Right.  These dog politicians have sucked money out of general funds to pay for buying votes to stay elected and push "dedicated taxes" for schoolteachers, police and firefighters because we all want those people to be paid well.  The dirty secret, the public is too lazy or stupid to realize the bait and switch...that those dedicated funds to the good causes allow the politicians to steal the general funds that should have been used for paying those people and, instead, is used to pass around free money projects to buy votes with.

I think in some areas if police were paid well, like in New Orleans, Chicago, etc., it wouldn't really help bring in better people because the culture and politics is so deviant now they don't want honest people.
      

police are generally paid very well here( about 60k to start) there are still plenty of scum bags and crimals in the ranks.  What I don't under stand, you are sworn to up hold the law, how could you sleep at night if you knew another officer was breaking the law and you said nothing?

[tombogan03884]

Agree with you Tom.  Though even illegals are persons and should be treated right.  As I understand it, coming into the country illeagly is a civil crime, not a criminal offense.  I have friends who are illegaly here and relatives that live with or have married illegals.  I look at that differently, don't see it as being as bad as it generally made out to be.  The solutions are easy but no one has the will or guts to do it.  We have "patriotic" Americans who for making a buck, pay and bring them in to work or will hire them to save a few dollars an hour.  But, I guess it is not against the law to hire illegals, so when they lose the current illegals, they just hire and bring in more.  Make it illegal to hire them and prosecute and jail those who do.  Job market would dry up quick.  But that is too simple and not politically correct.

Yes, I have to admit that some of my ranting is like a fart, lots of noise, to make a point. When I was in Ca. I worked at one place with a lot of Hispanics, The Salvadorans, Hondurans and Guatemalans, varied, just like MOST other people, The Mexicans though, every single Mexican I met out there was a polite friendly hard worker, and I KNOW some of them were gang bangers, I also know that some of my best friends among them were illegal, because INS showed up one day and 3/4 of the crew disappeared.

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[Sgt Z Squad]

Sgt Z Squad, I want to take this chance to reiterate that we are NOT bashing ALL Police Officers. From your previous posts it's pretty obvious that you are one of the good guys who is doing a crappy job in order to serve his community. Our beef is with the "law enforcement" thug who has a gun, a badge, and an attitude. You can look around your locker room and probably come up with examples of exactly who we mean, just by the way they talk.

Understood. You are right and as a sergeant, I know I have the biggest influence of how a young guy or girl will develop as a cop. I am in the twilight of my career and it my hope to leave a legacy with these youngsters that includes common sense, courage and the ability to make decisions that are logical through their knowledge of their laws and procedures as well as through experience.

There are a lot of times in my career, I wish I could have taken back some of my conduct and actions. It would be nice to be able to do a vulcan mind meld to give these youngsters all I have learned.

[True_Texan]

I think the main reason people are 'outraged' over this particular white guy being beaten is basically because he made it public.

He had a camera in the car with him. When he was being questioned and forcefully removed, he had it running. He posted it's contents on the Internet. News channels got wind of it and interviewed him. They in turn broadcast it to people sitting in their living rooms. Even more people get to watch it being streamed over the Internet.

Honestly, I don't think decent people would react any differently over which race is affected, but in general most sheeple don't have a clue what is going on around them and the injustices people face everyday. It tends to to work to your advantage to put it out there, and get it smashed into peoples faces so they have no choice but to look and pay attention.

Least that's my take on it... not even worth 2 cents I would guess.

[Hazcat]

I think the main reason people are 'outraged' over this particular white guy being beaten is basically because he made it public.

He had a camera in the car with him. When he was being questioned and forcefully removed, he had it running. He posted it's contents on the Internet. News channels got wind of it and interviewed him. They in turn broadcast it to people sitting in their living rooms. Even more people get to watch it being streamed over the Internet.

Honestly, I don't think decent people would react any differently over which race is affected, but in general most sheeple don't have a clue what is going on around them and the injustices people face everyday. It tends to to work to your advantage to put it out there, and get it smashed into peoples faces so they have no choice but to look and pay attention.

Least that my take on it... not even worth 2 cents I would guess.

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