do you give a warning or not?

[TAB]

both of those are very bad examples.

[Kid Shelleen]

both of those are very bad examples.

I absolutely 200% agree with you TAB. It is the degree of the bad examples that I wished to illustrate. Texas is very different and I would not advise anyone in Texas or anywhere else to follow such foolish behavior. These examples were meant to demonstrate how leniant the laws in Texas are. If Mr. Horn gets no-billed, it makes you wonder just what it takes. The "Don't Mess with Texas" is a serious warning. Would you be a repo man here? I wouldn't...not for a million bucks. By the way, it's against the law for a repo man to carry a gun.

[Texas_Bryan]

I absolutely 200% agree with you TAB. It is the degree of the bad examples that I wished to illustrate. Texas is very different and I would not advise anyone in Texas or anywhere else to follow such foolish behavior. These examples were meant to demonstrate how leniant the laws in Texas are. If Mr. Horn gets no-billed, it makes you wonder just what it takes. The "Don't Mess with Texas" is a serious warning. Would you be a repo man here? I wouldn't...not for a million bucks. By the way, it's against the law for a repo man to carry a gun.

I wouldn't try to be a repo guy and operate in subterfuge in Texas, ain't worth it.  And if some one is breaking into my place you have permission to shoot them.  And I have declared "Don't Mess with Texas" to be the national motto of Texas.

[TAB]

With the joe horn case, it was the grand jury not fallowing the laws, but going on emotion.  it happens from time to time.

[ericire12]

With the joe horn case, it was the grand jury not fallowing the laws, but going on emotion.  it happens from time to time.

Actually, it was the media who was driving the story on emotion..... The grand jury did things right as per TEXAS law..... TAB, dont even try to wrap your tiny little cal-E-for-E-a brain around it.... it wont work.

[Sponsor]

[TAB]

Actually, it was the media who was driving the story on emotion..... The grand jury did things right as per TEXAS law..... TAB, dont even try to wrap your tiny little cal-E-for-E-a brain around it.... it wont work.

try again,  in tx, you can use deadly force to protect property, you can also use deadly force to defend some one elses property, when you have written permission.  he only had verbal. 

[ericire12]

try again,  in tx, you can use deadly force to protect property, you can also use deadly force to defend some one elses property, when you have written permission.  he only had verbal. 

try again...... you are still only right in your own mind!

[Kid Shelleen]

try again,  in tx, you can use deadly force to protect property, you can also use deadly force to defend some one elses property, when you have written permission.  he only had verbal. 

Ok here's the story. Both men were shot in the back from Horn's shotgun. IMHO several things got him off the hook. They were in Horn's yard at the time they were shot and killed, Horn stated that he was in fear for his life (probably the most important legal factor). He did garner additional sympathy for many reasons including; They were illegal aliens and convicted criminals in their home country of Columbia, they were known members of an organized burgulary ring, they had the stolen property on them when they were shot, they had multiple false identifications with multiple aliases.

Still...any other state you're going away for a long time when you shoot two guys in the back for robbing your neighbor. Takes me back to my original contention. Being a repo man or a criminal in Texas can be very hazardous to your health.

Back to the original question of the thread. If you live in Texas, no need for a warning, even when recorded by 911.

Do I think shooting repo guys or burgulars at the neighbors house is a good idea? No way, no how, never..... but if these guys can get off the hook, it makes me feel a little better if there is ever the need for a responsible, justifiable, righteous shoot.

[MAUSERMAN]

Look I live in CA and once about 5 years ago i had to use my gun to save my life. I had 3 assholes break into my garage which is in the front of my house. They made it to the door that leads into the house, and there i am with my 9mm and 911 has me on hold. WTF could i do but shoot the wrecked garage door after voice commands didnt work.  They broke out like they had seen the devil and cops get there as the last jerk was making his way out. The cops got them but i got treated like a criminal beacuse i discharged my weapon.

[Pathfinder]

FWIW, I was not really looking for "advice"  I was more intrested in peoples "IMO"

I was on another web site and some one mentioned the old " if they are half way in the window, shoot them and pull them all the way in" myth.  Which led to a do you warn or not idea.

It may or not be murder - if he has a gun in his hand and points it at you even tho he's still in the window, you drop him where he is. However, pulling him into the house is tampering with evidence and you will go to prison - righteous shoot or not.

The answer to the advice question is simple. Its always better not to shoot if you can avoid it. I don't want to be a hero and catch the bad guy. I don't want to look in the mirror and know I killed somebody if I could have avoided it, however legal it may have been. I don't want to pay for a lawyer and face charges. I just want the asshole out my house. If saying I have a gun will work, good. Me, I plan on putting one through the ceiling to let them know I really do have one, if the situation permits. It always best to take every reasonable alternative to shooting that is available. Thats my advice for what its worth.
FQ13

No, the gun is for shooting the bad guy to stop him from doing bad things to you or your family. It is not for redecorating your ceiling. Let's say the shot scares him away - a neighbor calls the cops reporting gunshots, and now it is just your word that someone was trying to break in. And if in town, they will arrest you for discharging a weapon inside the city limits.

Let me make this clear -

You do not fire a warning shot!
You do not shoot to wound!
You do not shoot for any reason other than to stop the BG from doing bad things to you or your family!

Using a gun is using deadly force, and you have to treat it as such. Leave the other crap in the movies where it does not belong. If you break these rules, a 1st year prosecutor or PI lawyer will have you in jail and/or paying through the nose for the rest of your life.