Negligence results in Childs Death

[Hazcat]

I think a large part of it is WE were 'afraid' of (read 'respected') our parents.  Did we disobey and act up....sure.  BUT we knew for darn sure where the line was.

Pap always had an old double barrel hanging on the wall and and old S&W 32.  We (brother and I) KNEW not to touch them (yes we had been given lessons and later our own 22 rifles).

I knew and saw what a 'gun' could do to cans, bottles, rats and such (Dad wasn't a hunter) so I respected the power and 'life and death' possibilities.

They weren't 'mysteries' to us.  We got to handle and shoot with supervision so they were a 'known' item.  And Dad sure as hell put the fear of God into us not to play with them (some how we knew he would know).

Bottom line.... ADULTS were in charge and we (kids) knew that and repected that. 

[fightingquaker13]

TW,
My upbringing "exactly" when it came to firearms!
Sorry to hear this day & age does not respect what does not belong to them and not to touch it.
Our upbringing has to "adapt" to today's society or else we are negligent, go figure...
Sorry to hear of the trajedy

When I was growing up, there were guns in the house, loaded and unsecured. My folks made sure I knew how to use them and respected them. I had my (unloaded) .22 in my room at about age 13. That being said, we got lucky that I was responsible about them and didn't do anything stupid, because it could have gone the other way. Just one minute of giving in to peer pressure and showing a friend a gun when I was say eight and......I don't have kids, but if I do that is one of the few examples from my parents that I WON'T be following. I do hope that they don't prosecute the parents. The kid needs his folks too much right now. Plus, its bad enough he is going to have to live with killiing his brother, knowing his parents went to jail on top of it is too much.
FQ13

[PegLeg45]

I think a large part of it is WE were 'afraid' of (read 'respected') our parents.  Did we disobey and act up....sure.  BUT we knew for darn sure where the line was.

Pap always had an old double barrel hanging on the wall and and old S&W 32.  We (brother and I) KNEW not to touch them (yes we had been given lessons and later our own 22 rifles).

I knew and saw what a 'gun' could do to cans, bottles, rats and such (Dad wasn't a hunter) so I respected the power and 'life and death' possibilities.

They weren't 'mysteries' to us.  We got to handle and shoot with supervision so they were a 'known' item.  And Dad sure as hell put the fear of God into us not to play with them (some how we knew he would know).

Bottom line.... ADULTS were in charge and we (kids) knew that and repected that. 

AMEN to that.

My dad was not a gun person, but several close friends fathers were, and they were helpful and gracious enough to guide me into the wonderful world of guns and shooting. It didn't take much intelligence to understand the importance of safety when handling guns.
But, I learned as a teen the power and damage a gun can do when stupidity and negligence prevail. I lost a cousin (who lived in Indiana) to an 'unloaded' gun. He was over at a friends house and the friend shot him in the chest at point blank range with his dad's 'unloaded' .357 magnum.

[tombogan03884]

When I was a a LITTLE kid, pre schooler, My Dad kept  loaded rifle behind the kitchen door and a pistol in his dresser drawer, as has been said before I did not touch them because I did not want get killed dead like my cat who had been hit by a car. As I got older I learned that guns themselves can kill. The old man could be a scary SOB sometimes but it worked, I'm still here.

[lettyinreno]

Just FYI
A recent scenerio 2 days after Christmas 2008.
I'm sitting at my computer aprox. 8:30am reading the news at my computer with a cup of coffee in an upstairs apartment.
All of a sudden I hear an "unusual bang" rock my side of the apartment, I check on my mom who shares the "other side" ( she's OK) and get a knock on the front door from the downstairs neighbor. Retired Marine ROTC in our county teaching gun safety to kids everyday resided downstairs, nice guy... Had his kids over the Holidays, claimed the shotgun AD in  when he went to move it from the closet out to garage went off in his hand when he grabbed it by the receiver. TRUSTED THE COLLEGE KID FOR GUN SAFETY! Asked immediately if the thing was a Rem 870. He was so embarassed but my mom & I  knew it was unintentional but I kidded him unmerficely.  I TOLD HIM HE WAS DAMN LUCKY I SOLD THOSE POS  for a living and to send it back but it did made for a good story when I went to work that day!

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[Hazcat]

Just FYI
A recent scenerio 2 days after Christmas 2008.
I'm sitting at my computer aprox. 8:30am reading the news at my computer with a cup of coffee in an upstairs apartment.
All of a sudden I hear an "unusual bang" rock my side of the apartment, I check on my mom who shares the "other side" ( she's OK) and get a knock on the front door from the downstairs neighbor. Retired Marine ROTC in our county teaching gun safety to kids everyday resided downstairs, nice guy... Had his kids over the Holidays, claimed the shotgun AD in  when he went to move it from the closet out to garage went off in his hand when he grabbed it by the receiver. TRUSTED THE COLLEGE KID FOR GUN SAFETY! Asked immediately if the thing was a Rem 870. He was so embarassed but my mom & I  knew it was unintentional but I kidded him unmerficely. I TOLD HIM HE WAS DAMN LUCKY I SOLD THOSE POS  for a living and to send it back but it did made for a good story when I went to work that day!

Do tell us more!  870 HAVE 'PROBLEMS?

[lettyinreno]

My dad (LAPD Homicide Det.) kept locked & loaded weapons everywhere during the Watts Riots ( family even evauated during the uprising ) threatened to "pound the crap'  if we even looked in his closet fulll of shotguns, rifles or pistols hidden else where  and "never did" because of the fear of reprocussion

[lettyinreno]

Some 870 models do have a dis lodging receiver but not many send them back IMMEDIATELY if any issues arise

[Hazcat]

Some 870 models do have a dis lodging receiver but not many send them back IMMEDIATELY if any issues arise

Never heard this before!  Is it recent?  How many (percent wise) is some?

[lettyinreno]

Not really sure if stats was really the case but I know of 2 cases in a few months in my area of returns to Remington to fix the problems in a couple 870 of faulty recievers. And they will stand behind their products and make 'em right.