Waterboarding

[Pathfinder]

Somehow, I think I mentioned that that's not the point. Its about reciprocity. If you would call it torture if it were done to Jessica Lynch, don't do it! Why do you not get that?
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PS For anybody who thinks I'm an idealistic idiot (yes you Tom) bear in mind that the Nazis summarily executed or worse, captured Sovs. Our guys, and the Brits were generally, though not always, treated ok (for very large values of ok, but still a lot better than the alternative). This was in part motivated by racial ideology, but also because they knew we were treating their guys decently. And this was from the folks that brought you Auschwitz.
FQ13

No, it's not.

We are battling people who capture and then summarily execute our unarmed soldiers - it has happened a number of times. We have not gotten one soldier back alive other that we didn't rescue (Lynch) or escape on his own.

We are battling people who execute civilians by beheading them in front of a video camera.

We are battling people who attack and kill, then drag their boddies through the streets and hang them from street lights.

And all this was before any word of waterboarding came out. This is a reflection of who they are at their core. Do not make the mistake that they share any values with you. Other than basic human needs (food, shelter, etc.) - they don't. You are on their earth only to convert or be killed.

So where's this reciprocity you speak of?

Got it?

As for the Nazis treatment of our troops, tell that to the men at Malmedy, among others.

[shooter32]

No, it's not.

We are battling people who capture and then summarily execute our unarmed soldiers - it has happened a number of times. We have not gotten one soldier back alive other that we didn't rescue (Lynch) or escape on his own.

We are battling people who execute civilians by beheading them in front of a video camera.

We are battling people who attack and kill, then drag their boddies through the streets and hang them from street lights.

And all this was before any word of waterboarding came out. This is a reflection of who they are at their core. Do not make the mistake that they share any values with you. Other than basic human needs (food, shelter, etc.) - they don't. You are on their earth only to convert or be killed.
So where's this reciprocity you speak of?

Got it?

As for the Nazis treatment of our troops, tell that to the men at Malmedy, among others.

 

Right on the money.
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[1911 Junkie]

Gee, how dare you inject logic into the arguement?  You are a bad man Mr. Twyacht.  Your attitude is going to get you thrown in some fascist prison if the liberal dregs who run this country are able to continue to progress down the communist path....you better watch yourself.  Or else you could end up in some Citizen Endearment and Reeducation Camp with someone like me, or Haz, or M58, or M25, or Tombogan, or Ksail, or Majer, or Brosometal, or. Jaybet, or Pathfinder, or Timothy, or Texasbryan, or Deepwater, or Runstowin, or Swoop, or PegLeg45, or 1911 Junkie, or Sgt Z Squad, or ericire12, or...maybe even philw...you never know...you better watch out for yourself.

I'm tearing up, must be the proudest moment of my life. Thank you for mentioning me in that group.

Seems to me that these terrorists were cutting peoples heads off long before they even heard of waterboarding. So much for the logic that they will be nice if we be nice first.(That's the kind of thinking that has harmed this country more than helped) These terrorist assholes probalby sit back and laugh when they hear the "outrage" over waterboarding. It's something they never thought of because it's not cruel enough.  These people only respect power and only understand pain and death. We are not doing enough of each.

[Ping]

twyacht hit the nail right on the head about the Geneva Convention. Terrorists did not sign the agreement so they are not bound by rules of conflict.

[ericire12]

The thing that I find so interesting about the water boarding debate is that the people who are so irate that we are doing this are mad because we are "torturing" terrorists. They never bring up the fact that this is done to our own troops as a form of training. If they are so damn sure that this is torture, then why are they not outraged that we are, by their definition, "torturing" American soldiers

They also go on and on about terrorists who have been water boarded and have "long term psychological ramifications" from the "harsh interrogation method", but I have yet to see one American soldier who has been water boarded and has had psychological problems because of it.

The end all be all of this, however, is that who ever brought this argument to the public square should be charged with treason......  this entire conversation about if we should use the method or not should have only taken place in classified congressional meetings. Bringing this to the public square undermines our military and CIA in a despicable and immeasurable way   

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[twyacht]

I think I have read that some captured enemy combatants (NOT POW's),  were also threatened to be sent to Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt for interrogation by the locals in those countries.

Usually that in and of itself motivated individuals to give up info.

I wonder why???

Methinks it had something to do with something far worse than waterboarding.

[tt11758]

I forget who first made the statement that I'm about to write, but I agree with it wholeheartedley:


If passing an electrical current through some terrorist's scrotum causes him to give information that will save one American life, I have only 3 things to say:
1)  Red is positive
2)  Black is negative
3)  Make sure his nuts are nice and wet.

[shooter32]

I forget who first made the statement that I'm about to write, but I agree with it wholeheartedley:


If passing an electrical current through some terrorist's scrotum causes him to give information that will save one American life, I have only 3 things to say:
1)  Red is positive
2)  Black is negative
3)  Make sure his nuts are nice and wet.

And I'll throw the switch!!

[twyacht]

And I'll throw the switch!!

The BG's tied Rambo to a metal box spring too.

Okay, I'll keep the corner company this time,....

[fightingquaker13]

The BG's tied Rambo to a metal box spring too.

Okay, I'll keep the corner company this time,....

Actually, if we're talking about water bording Stallone, who is pro--gun control AFTER making his millions as Rambo, I'll bring the popcorn.
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