Waterboarding

[1911 Junkie]

Unreliable information?

It's not like they interogate one guy and run out chasing the info he provided.
You interogate 50 guys and put the info together and see what is consistent. (Then you hook their nuts up to a battery just to make sure the story doesn't change  ).

[Thanos]

Hazing is a right and priviledge that solidifies the bonds of brotherhood.


Well, I didn't think it at the time, but now that I am over my required duty, it is no longer torture. funny how things change.

[Timothy]

Hazing is a right and priviledge that solidifies the bonds of brotherhood.

Hazing is a childish game played by bored little frat boys who probably got their butts kicked in HS...

Waterboarding on the other hand, looks like bobbing for apples, the hard way!   

If it saved just ONE American life.....it was worth all the effort.....the rest of the world can bite me!

[TAB]

Hazing is a childish game played by bored little frat boys who probably got their butts kicked in HS...

Waterboarding on the other hand, looks like bobbing for apples, the hard way!   

If it saved just ONE American life.....it was worth all the effort.....the rest of the world can bite me!

so now the question is, at what point is it not worth one american life?

[cooptire]

Hazing is a childish game played by bored little frat boys who probably got their butts kicked in HS...

Waterboarding on the other hand, looks like bobbing for apples, the hard way!   

If it saved just ONE American life.....it was worth all the effort.....the rest of the world can bite me!

That is what it comes down to for me. No matter how we treat or "mis"treat someone, the terrorists of the world are not swayed in the least by what we do to the ones we capture. Given the chance the rest of the world, terrorist or otherwise, WILL bite us no matter what we do. In my mind it comes down to how much we want to maintain our freedoms, our culture, our very way of life! No, I'm not advocating out and out torture. But I do not believe that waterboarding is torture in the way the rest of the world thinks about it.

[Sponsor]

[Ping]

Hazing and waterboarding are two completely different actions. Those who are hazed are aware that something humbling will befall them. Those that are waterboarded are being interrogated for information that could cost the lives of other humans and possibly our own countrymen and women. This is a very silly comparison.

[Thanos]

Hazing is a childish game played by bored little frat boys who probably got their butts kicked in HS...

I wasn't talking about hazing in school, I got it in the military. Although, I think there is a limit to what should be done, and it wasn't really demeaning or anything. It was no worse than a childish prank that everyone got played on them at the same time.
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I don't care what the rest of the world thinks on what we do to extract information from scumbags. I don't even care if it is an American life, innocent life being saved and it is worth it or if we honestly thought that an innocent was in danger it would be okay.

[PegLeg45]

Let's see....pouring water over someones head to get info that quite possibly may save a city from being bombed, or planes being crashed, or planes being hi-jacked, or anything else that would involve terrorism........hmmmmmm....I'll bring the buckets.

Terrorist don't play by "the rules".......... who makes the "rules of war" anyway?

Kind of like the folks who brought us mustard gas bitching about the use of shotguns as being 'cruel' weapons.......hmmmmm.


Yeah....I'll bring the buckets.

[Middle Man]

Hazing is a childish game played by bored little frat boys who probably got their butts kicked in HS...

Waterboarding on the other hand, looks like bobbing for apples, the hard way!   

If it saved just ONE American life.....it was worth all the effort.....the rest of the world can bite me!

This "little frat boy" didn't get his butt kicked...

Ignorance abounds from those that have no concept of reality and only rely on their own biases, prejudices, and stereotypes.  Not to pick on Timothy (too much) but his comment betrays his biases, prejudices, et. al. regarding fraternities in the same manner that many of the comments on waterboarding (not just here, but everywhere from all corners) betray the same regarding the concept of modern interrogation generally and waterboarding specifically.

[Pathfinder]

its not just people that don't know anything.  People that do can and have gave bad intel knowing that it would make the torture stop and you waste time/resorces.  granted those are only the "hardcore" and are very rare.

I'd really like to know the truth about how much good intel we actually get from doing things like this.

No one is ever going to release that info

i'd bet we get very little..

You don't suppose our intel guys have figured that one out? Of course the info has to be vetted, maybe by waiting a few days and hitting them again with the water and see if the story is the same. Very simple as a start.

What I find most interesting is that our own military has stopped waterboarding its own ranks as a means to toughen them up in case they are captured. It turns out it is so effective, they had 100% giving everything up - accurately. And this was among Seals, Spec Ops, Green Berets, etc., not just the rank and file. That says a lot about its usefulness.

bho's ploy was to expose our secrets to the world to shame us as a country and to make our intel people's jobs just that much harder.