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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 05:02:15 PM »
I think that punk was no longer a threat after he got shot in the head.  ::)
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 05:05:39 PM »
This is a tough one.  Looking at the video the pharmacist shot the guy, left the store, came back in, walked by the perpetrator on the floor, walked away with his back to the guy, got another gun, came back to the guy and shot again.

In fairness we can’t see or hear the guy perpetrator lying on the floor.  We don’t know what was happening.

I agree with the concept of shoot until the threat is over.  The question here is when was the treat over?

The prosecutor is taking the clue that the pharmacist after returning to the store walks with his back to the guy and didn’t look back.  Then he comes back with the second gun and fires multiple shots while the perpetrator is on the floor.

If the guy was a still a threat why walk past him with your back turned away?  It is a reasonable question.
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 05:14:31 PM »
when they 1st arrested the guy, the police said his statments did not match the crime scene, anyone elses or the security tapes.
Thats very fishy

I don't have enough info to to form a "IMO" about what happen. 
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 05:14:59 PM »
Since "Her Baby was shot like that," if he survived the initial head shot, what are the chances the NAACP would have sued in civil court for med. bills, rehab, physical therapy, etc,.....

"Dead Men Tell No Tales". Is what I'm thinking.

Maybe the OTHER BG, won't try this sh** again and be scared straight.
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2009, 05:30:34 PM »
 Sense the robber caused the sate of mind of the potential victum, justifible homicide.Your results may vary.
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2009, 05:46:42 PM »
Quote from: blackwolfe on May 29, 2009, 04:58:42 PM
"He didn't have to shoot my baby like that," Parker's mother, Cleta Jennings, told TV station KOCO.


Her frickin baby was an armed robber putting people in fear of their lives.  He lost.


 I thought I would add to what I posted earlier.  I have not watched the videos, so I am basing what I say on what has been written in the original post.  As others have said you defend yourself untill there is no longer a threat.  As I was not there I don't know when that point was reached, but very well may have been after the first shot.  I don't know what was going through the mind of the pharmacist.  A jury will probably sort this out.

I don't have much empathy for the kid.  I do feel for the mother as she has lost her son and it is her"baby".  The "for the children"  mindset and attitude is what raises my hackles.  Had the rolls been reversed and the pharmacist was dead at the hands of her son or the other kid would she blame her son or would the excuse be just be a kid who didn't know what he was doing? 

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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2009, 06:09:40 PM »
Many unseen variables involved.....would be nice to have audio to go with the video.
The unseen perp on the floor, if he was not dead from the head-shot may have been still until the clerk walked past him the second time. He may have been trying to get up and caused the clerk to panic....heck I don't know...maybe the truth will come out in the wash.

Was it justifiable? Shot #1 most certainly. I'd woulda poped him too.
Was the follow-ups overkill? Glad I don't have to decide that one.
I agree with TAB, not enough info to form a solid opinion here....IMO.    ;)

Either way, the clerk's in for a tough row to hoe and, even though the kid was a criminal, there's a mother grieving.

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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2009, 06:14:59 PM »
Doesn't agreeing with TAB give you an odd feeling?  ;)  It does to me.
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2009, 06:15:51 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on May 29, 2009, 06:14:59 PM
Doesn't agreeing with TAB give you an odd feeling?  ;)  It does to me.

It should pass quickly....nausea generally does! ;)
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Re: Self Defense? or Overkill? Pharmacist Charged.
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2009, 06:21:02 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on May 29, 2009, 06:14:59 PM
Doesn't agreeing with TAB give you an odd feeling?  ;)  It does to me.

Kinda.... may need to go lay down for a minute........   :-\
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