Coded Ammo only in the U.S. By Mid Year???

[johnkorz]

I would not take this bill lightly because I recall my graduate studies in chemical engineering we covered why we use gasoline to power our cars instead of ethanol.  It seems way back in the 1920s a person of named J. Paul Getty decided that gasoline was a better fuel because he was in the oil business.  Mr. Getty had several many connections in Washington, DC and several states who lobbied for the use of gasoline. If we would have stayed with ethanol the problems we are having today would may not exists.  This means we should do what ever we can to make sure this bill does not see the light of day in the states.   

JFK.

[TAB]

I would not take this bill lightly because I recall my graduate studies in chemical engineering we covered why we use gasoline to power our cars instead of ethanol.  It seems way back in the 1920s a person of named J. Paul Getty decided that gasoline was a better fuel because he was in the oil business.  Mr. Getty had several many connections in Washington, DC and several states who lobbied for the use of gasoline. If we would have stayed with ethanol the problems we are having today would may not exists.  This means we should do what ever we can to make sure this bill does not see the light of day in the states.   

JFK.

um no offence, but your prof was a idiot, ethonal, has less BTUs, it hygroscopic, cuts into the food supply, can not be pumped long distances, has zero lube propertys...  gas just makes so much more sense.  more BTUs, can be pumped, great lube properys, stable....  ethonal is a joke.  it was back then and it still is.

who is expecting the law?  there is more to life then guns.  there are litterly hundreds of laws that need addressing before we get too this one.  Some of those there is a chance of getting them repealed. 

[Texas_Bryan]

um no offence, but your prof was a idiot, ethonal, has less BTUs, it hygroscopic, cuts into the food supply, can not be pumped long distances, has zero lube propertys...  gas just makes so much more sense.  more BTUs, can be pumped, great lube properys, stable....  ethonal is a joke.  it was back then and it still is.

who is expecting the law?  there is more to life then guns.  there are litterly hundreds of laws that need addressing before we get too this one.  Some of those there is a chance of getting them repealed. 

Deer corn is six bucks a bag now!!!  I have zero proof, but I'm willing to blame it all on ethanol.

[fightingquaker13]

Deer corn is six bucks a bag now!!!  I have zero proof, but I'm willing to blame it all on ethanol.

Not just deer corn. Its the price of corn (eg tortillas) and cooking oil in the 3rd world. Its not wininng us a lot of friends right now in LA and Africa. Something the Chinese are quick to capitalize on.
FQ13

[MikeBjerum]

Deer corn is six bucks a bag now!!!  I have zero proof, but I'm willing to blame it all on ethanol.

Texas,

Indirectly it is ok to blame ethanol if it is indirectly ok to blame guns for murders.  You can't sell me on shortage of food when they are building more and more storage and ethanol plants every year and still dumping corn on the ground.  Plus, ethanol detractors always forget to tell you or accept that there is a more valuable food source left as a byproduct after distilling.

I personally put my blame, or praise if you make your money raising corn, wheat and soy beans, on the commodity traders.  You know they guys.  They're the ones in an office on the 15th floor in downtown Chi Town that will tank the market if two drops of rain hit their office window in June.

Back on TAB and his reasoning:

Regardless of whether this law will ever be enforce or not, it is a chink in the armor, a crack in the foundation, a weep hole in the dike, (insert your metaphor here) that can open the door for something else more devastating to be slipped in under the cover of night!

How would you feel about any legislation that laid the groundwork for firearm registration?  Maybe the law only says that if there are five million murders committed with a S&W J frame, chambered in .38 +p only, and must take place between 7:30 PM and 2:00 AM edt, in cities of a population of .75 million or more, and the registration of handguns in a National data base will not go in place until this happens.  Easy to say as reasonable people with common sense this is something we can give in a civilized community to curb the violence.  However, it says we are ok with firearm registration!

Don't dismiss any firearm related legislation as trivial and meaningless unless you are ready to accept the worst case associated with it!

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[tombogan03884]

We can not afford to shrug off ANY assault on our rights, TABs comments here underline the fact that he does not seem to "get it". The 2nd Amendment doesn't have any thing to do with "Sporting purposes". It is specificly aimed at giving the PEOPLE the fire power necessary to overthrow and if needed kill oppressive legislators (In other words TYRANTS) The fact that those of you in Ca., Il, NY, etc. have allowed your Govt.s to get so far out of hand shows that to many do not grasp the fact that this is NOT a democracy, It is intended as a republic, but the sheeple have allowed it to become a dictatorship of the mob, the tyranny of whiners.

[TAB]

so  how exactly can we fight those laws...

lets see

write letters to your reps,   check, I average 2 a month.( two letters, sent to several reps)

call your reps,  check, I average about 1 a month.

Go to rallys at the capitol,  check, I'm at ever one I hear about.

shooting with your rep, check, shot several rounds of sporting clays with him.

So tell me, what else can be done?

I always hear people outside of CA saying "you let this happen", but they never want to offer help or offer a  solution.

you have to understand for every person in ca that is "pro gun" there atleast is 1 in la and 1 is sf that hates guns and thinks they should be banned. 

The cold reality is, most people don't care one way or the other about gun control.  ( its like this for the nation as a whole)  they are more worried about some other issue.   


lets just use the NRA as a example( I personal don't like them and will never support them, but thats another thread)  there is what  4 mil members nation wide?  out of 300 million people  that is only 1.33% of the popultion.   as a whole the nation really does not care.

[PegLeg45]

The cold reality is, most people don't care one way or the other about gun control.  ( its like this for the nation as a whole)  they are more worried about some other issue.   


lets just use the NRA as a example( I personal don't like them and will never support them, but thats another thread)  there is what  4 mil members nation wide?  out of 300 million people  that is only 1.33% of the popultion.   as a whole the nation really does not care.

I don't know if it's as much a situation of "don't care" as it is people just being too lazy and/or cheap to stand up for something. There are too many gun owners out there for there to only be 4 million members in the NRA.
It's not just happening in the gun culture, though.
It's been that way for years.
People want something for nothing and/or want other people to do the fighting for their benefit.

[tombogan03884]

so  how exactly can we fight those laws...

lets see

write letters to your reps,   check, I average 2 a month.( two letters, sent to several reps)

call your reps,  check, I average about 1 a month.

Go to rallys at the capitol,  check, I'm at ever one I hear about.

shooting with your rep, check, shot several rounds of sporting clays with him.

So tell me, what else can be done?

I always hear people outside of CA saying "you let this happen", but they never want to offer help or offer a  solution.

you have to understand for every person in ca that is "pro gun" there atleast is 1 in la and 1 is sf that hates guns and thinks they should be banned. 

The cold reality is, most people don't care one way or the other about gun control.  ( its like this for the nation as a whole)  they are more worried about some other issue.  


lets just use the NRA as a example( I personal don't like them and will never support them, but thats another thread)  there is what  4 mil members nation wide?  out of 300 million people  that is only 1.33% of the popultion.   as a whole the nation really does not care.

Glad to see that YOUR rep is a shooter. But you left out the most important thing, EDUCATION ! 2 of the many points you can raise are
 1) The Constitution lays out the "Law of the land" that includes the provision that the right to keep and bear arms "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" since America is a REPUBLIC, ruled by LAW, not a democracy ruled by the whim of the mob, their sick fear of an inanimate object is not a valid argument for violating the law.
2) With 20,000 laws on the books regulating firearms and have no beneficial effect on murder, rape, or robbery statistics, challenge them to prove how another will make any difference.
OK, more than 2 
3) point out to them that the current decline in violent crime coincides with the spread of Concealed carry.
4) Challenge their hypocrisy by questioning why, if they are concerned with violent crime, they pass laws that only effect the law abiding, instead of addressing the true root of the problem, violent criminals.

For more talking points go to www.gunfacts.info


And another thing, I'm not talking about JUST writing to politicians, write to newspapers as well, and  introduce these facts into conversations, and last but not least the secret weapon 
TAKE THEM SHOOTING, because I'm willing to bet that pro gun people vastly out number the true gun haters, the rest don't know any better and have to be shown how safe, healthy, and most importantly FUN, the shooting sports are.

How do you like that TAB, I posted all that and never ridiculed or insulted you once   

[TAB]

cocealed carry does not reduce crime... if it did alaska would not lead the nation in sexual assult per captia.  by twice the next highest state. ( FBI numbers)  AK is also for the most part a "dry state"  so by the logic used that CCW reduce crime,  the lack of booze cuases rapes.   Now that might be the case, but i'd bet it has to do with other factors... can't prove it either way.

when it comes to stats, your best not to bring them up at all.  the only thing that most of the "statisics community" agrees on  is that over all guns play no roll in crime stats.  Yes, there are a few that say other wise( both sides), but those that do have either recanted ( lott)  have been prove to be false, or use bad data/ data gathering pracitces.

Take the fear away from guns thru education is what works.