When machinest, were machinest... not computer programers

[tombogan03884]

 The best mix would be "Old School" machinists with new CNC equipment, and materials 

[TAB]

when it comes to machine tools, its the same as every thing else...


there is no replacment for displacment.


more mass= less vibrations= more accuracy.

[tombogan03884]

when it comes to machine tools, its the same as every thing else...


there is no replacment for displacment.


more mass= less vibrations= more accuracy.

That goes for the floor you mount them on as well. I was running an Amada CNC Punch Press in a shop that installed a Laser  cutting machine, they had a 2 ft thick slab poured right next to my machine, They almost fired the Laser Operator because he could not hold a tolerance. Then they put it on a 4 foot thick slab on the other side of the shop from my pounding machine and had no more problems 

[TAB]

true.  I recently did a remodel at a print shop, the floor where the shear was instaled is 3' thick of 5000 psi mix.  yet every time it strikes, it still shakes the building. (60x120  tilt up)  under the press its 7' thick.

[Timothy]

That goes for the floor you mount them on as well. I was running an Amada CNC Punch Press in a shop that installed a Laser  cutting machine, they had a 2 ft thick slab poured right next to my machine, They almost fired the Laser Operator because he could not hold a tolerance. Then they put it on a 4 foot thick slab on the other side of the shop from my pounding machine and had no more problems 

Been there, done that.....we have to cut a huge hole in the floor for our new machine.  Just needs to be isolated though, spec only calls for 10" thick, 5000 psi slab, no seams and 2 rebar levels.  Funny, I was just reviewing the installation spec today.  It is on the far side of the shop though.  We have no large turret presses, just the press brakes and they don't shake the building like an Amada is prone too do...Which model were you working with Tom?

My last shop had two turret presses and four 275 Ton Amada press brakes as well as two high power lasers.  The whole building shook when were full tilt boogie....!

P.S.  I convinced management to buy American made Cincinnati lasers and two press brakes.  For what it's worth, they were the right price and their service is second to none, IMO...

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[tombogan03884]

 Amada, Pega, Coma, and King models, also ran an Octo for a company that made gun cases. I've never run the Lasers, but I liked the Cincinnati milling centers I ran, T/C had a couple. All the Cincy press brakes I ran were mechanical, with the big fly wheel, of the CNC models I ran I preferred the Trumpf over the Amada as the controller was more user friendly. Of the Milling centers, Haas sucked the worst, great machine, controller SUCKS. Simplest was Matsuura, but I liked Robo Drill as well.

[Timothy]

Amada, Pega, Coma, and King models, also ran an Octo for a company that made gun cases. I've never run the Lasers, but I liked the Cincinnati milling centers I ran, T/C had a couple. All the Cincy press brakes I ran were mechanical, with the big fly wheel, of the CNC models I ran I preferred the Trumpf over the Amada as the controller was more user friendly. Of the Milling centers, Haas sucked the worst, great machine, controller SUCKS. Simplest was Matsuura, but I liked Robo Drill as well.

I'm familiar with the Coma, I've programed for an older model for 10 years, still used the paper tapes for numerical control.  It was something you could make a mess of if you weren't carefull with the programs.  This is my first exprerience with the Cincy brakes but I'm not responsible for the brakes, only the laser install, maintenance, service scheduling and back up operator.  We have a small Haas mill and hopes for a few more but business has gotta get better before the beancounters cough another million bucks in capital money.  We did look at the Trumpf laser and press brakes but those guys are really proud of their stuff, clearly 30% more for a similar machine to the Cincys...  They make at least two of their new lasers and several turret presses in Hartford now.  Even their resonators are made in Harford...I went down their last fall and got the nickel tour AND and overpriced lunch...very impressive facility.

[twyacht]

The best mix would be "Old School" machinists with new CNC equipment, and materials 

I'll agree with that 100%.

[tombogan03884]

I'm familiar with the Coma, I've programed for an older model for 10 years, still used the paper tapes for numerical control.  It was something you could make a mess of if you weren't carefull with the programs.  This is my first exprerience with the Cincy brakes but I'm not responsible for the brakes, only the laser install, maintenance, service scheduling and back up operator.  We have a small Haas mill and hopes for a few more but business has gotta get better before the beancounters cough another million bucks in capital money.  We did look at the Trumpf laser and press brakes but those guys are really proud of their stuff, clearly 30% more for a similar machine to the Cincys...  They make at least two of their new lasers and several turret presses in Hartford now.  Even their resonators are made in Harford...I went down their last fall and got the nickel tour AND and overpriced lunch...very impressive facility.

WOW, I haven't seen anyone use Tapes since Thompson Center back in the mid 80's 

[philw]

My Old Man used to work in places like that   back when he was a Tool Maker



I have sent him the link to have a look at