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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2009, 02:19:59 PM »
My heartfelt "Thanks" to all of you whom have served in our armed forces!  We're VERY proud of you!

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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2009, 06:35:16 PM »
Thanks, Tim, for sharing a piece of your family's wealth.

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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2009, 11:24:17 AM »
We are seeing the last of some of the greatest men to ever walk the earth passing right before our eyes. I am glad to have spent time with some of them over the years and all the advice they had to share. All of them are gone now that I used to talk to in my neighborhood when I was a kid.

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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2009, 12:15:42 PM »
My Dad was a pilot, 8th AF, 398th BG, 600th Sq. B-17s out of Nuthampstead, England. Here's a photo of him and his crew:
http://www.398th.org/Images/Images_Crews/Text/Flight/Lowe_600_early1944.html
My dad, Lt. Donald B. Lowe Jr., is second from left in the back row.

They had a Normandy mission on this day in 1944 - bombing Arromanches or Courseulles - about 2 miles apart.

Dad never talked much about his experiences, it was something they had to do, and the lucky ones came home to pick up their lives. Some years later, the movie The War Lover came out with Steve McQueen. As a promotional stunt, they took the 1 surviving B-17 from the movie (they intentionally crashed 2 others!!!!!), painted "War Lover" across that barn door slab of a wing, and flew it across the country. It landed in Chicago, Midway Airport I recall in the Spring - it was cool, so we went in to see it as a family. I was 13 or so.

It was on this trip I found out a few things:
1. There is no bathroom on the B-17. On the 10-12-hour bomb runs, the call would come up to open the bomb bay doors so guys could relieve themselves.

2. The pilot is the boss of the airplane, no matter what. My Dad had been given the clearance to move out and join the line of planes taking off. As he advanced the throttles and started to move, there was a slight crash and a jolt as the right horizontal stabilizer impacted the supply truck still parked at the back door. He was fined $25 for that little mishap. When I protested that wasn't fair since he was told to move out, Dad said the aircraft was his responsibility as the pilot, so it was on him even though the ground crew screwed up.

3. The flight deck crew entered the plane through a nose hatch by jumping up, grabbing the inside of the hatch bulkhead,  chinning themselves on the outside of the plane, swinging their legs and then their bodies into the hatch. As an adult, I can touch the bottom of the hatch easily, but as a runt little 13-year old it seemed to be 20 feet off the ground. We toured the plane from the back door to the flight deck through the bomb bay. Dad made friends with the pilot who also was a B-17 WWII pilot. As we left the flight deck, we all went through the hatch, and down an unsecured aluminum stepladder (no OSHA in those days).

Dad was the last one down the ladder, and I heard him say "I wonder if I still can...". I turned to watch him move the ladder, as a voice from inside the plane yelled out angrily - "Hey, who moved the ladder?" The pilot stuck his head out of the hatch, and said, "Oh, it's you Don, go ahead" - he knew what was happening even if I did not. And by God he did it to, just as if it was still 1944.

Not having served myself (draft #261) I cannot imagine being 25 years old, having the lives of 9 other men in your hands - as well as an expensive, complicated airplane as your responsibility as well - as you fly through AA and enemy fighters to drop 10 tons of stored high explosive on the ground.

To everyone who served on this day 65 years ago, bless you all. You were a hell of an act to follow and sadly I think we have failed you.


Update: PS: I still have the cool leather jacket Dad's wearing in that photo.   ;D
And no, it doesn't even begin to fit me anymore!  >:(  :'(
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Re: D-Day Remembered
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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2009, 12:56:15 PM »
WOW!  Is all I can come up with, Path.  I am always in AWE of those men.
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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2009, 01:38:50 PM »
I'm gonna be really honest with you folks..........I'm not ashamed to admit that when I heard the story about this man on the news this morning during the D-Day ceremony, I got choked up something fierce.

Sixty-five years after surviving the invasion to liberate Europe, he returned for one last visit. An honored guest at the ceremony, Jim Norene, a member of the 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne – didn't make it to the ceremony. Mr. Norene was gravely ill when he left his home, and he knew that he might not return. But just as he did sixty-five years ago, he came to France anyway. Last night, after visiting the cemetery for one last time, he passed away in his sleep.
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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2009, 10:57:44 PM »
Death comes to all, but great achievements build a monument which shall endure until the sun grows cold.
Ralph Waldo Emerson


THAT is what D-Day was, and what those soldiers accomplished. 

Lest We Forget..

I'm gonna be really honest with you folks..........I'm not ashamed to admit that when I heard the story about this man on the news this morning during the D-Day ceremony, I got choked up something fierce.

Sixty-five years after surviving the invasion to liberate Europe, he returned for one last visit. An honored guest at the ceremony, Jim Norene, a member of the 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne – didn't make it to the ceremony. Mr. Norene was gravely ill when he left his home, and he knew that he might not return. But just as he did sixty-five years ago, he came to France anyway. Last night, after visiting the cemetery for one last time, he passed away in his sleep.


Rest In Peace Jim Norene, and Thank You.

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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2009, 12:29:35 AM »
We ALL die, but these men knew what it truly meant to live.

Pathfinder, One reason Your Dad did not talk to much with you about it may have to do with the fact that taking into account the ENTIRE length of the war the Air Forces had a higher daily casualty rate than the Marines or Army.
The Marines only had casualties when they were engaged in securing an Island and these campaigns rarely if ever exceeded 6 months, The Army troops in Europe were rotated as often as possible , but the Air Forces went up day after day, from 42 on Every B 17 or B 24 lost was ten men,

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Re: D-Day Remembered
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2009, 10:45:39 AM »
We ALL die, but these men knew what it truly meant to live.

Pathfinder, One reason Your Dad did not talk to much with you about it may have to do with the fact that taking into account the ENTIRE length of the war the Air Forces had a higher daily casualty rate than the Marines or Army.
The Marines only had casualties when they were engaged in securing an Island and these campaigns rarely if ever exceeded 6 months, The Army troops in Europe were rotated as often as possible , but the Air Forces went up day after day, from 42 on Every B 17 or B 24 lost was ten men,

Exactly, the rate of attrition in the Air Corps was overwhelming, to say the least.



In the attack by Allied air power, almost 2,700,000 tons of bombs were dropped, more than 1,440,000 bomber sorties and 2,680,000 fighter sorties were flown. The number of combat planes reached a peak of some 28,000 and at the maximum 1,300,000 men were in combat commands. The number of men lost in air action was 79,265 Americans and 79,281 British. [Note: All RAF statistics are preliminary or tentative.] More than 18,000 American and 22,000 British planes were lost or damaged beyond repair.

http://www.anesi.com/ussbs02.htm

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm


Here's a good site for WWII info on air warfare:

http://www.historyofwaronline.com/WW2-2.html
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

 

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