Our Judeo-Christian Nation

[Teresa Heilevang]

Congressman Forbes asks the questions "Did America ever consider itself a Judeo-Christian nation?" and "If America was once a Judeo-Christian nation, when did it cease to be?" on the floor of the US House.

[fightingquaker13]

M'Lette
We never have been, are not now, and the good lord willing never will be, a judeo-christian nation.The Constitution makes clear that there is no establishment of religion. It also makes clear that we enjoy the free exercise of religion (a right that has sadly been trampled in recent years). Both of these things point out the fact that while MOST, though not all of the founders were Christian, they took pains to ensure separation of church and state. This wasn't just to "protect" the state from the church, it was also to protect the the chuch from itself. Because when the two mingle, two things happen; sure as night and day, and I defy you to find an historical counter example.
1 The state becomes theocratic and authoritarian, led by old men who claim that God is whispering in their left ear and any who oppose them, or even question them, are in league with the devil and should be done away with
2 The  church becomes corrupted, caring more about money and temporal power than preaching the word of God.
This isn't theory, its history. Look at the Catholic Church in the middle ages, the puritans in colonial New England or the Muslim world today. Theoracy is theocracy, I don't care what god you claim to worship. At the end of the day the men (and its always men, just a hint M'Lette) worship one thing and that's power. Offering a Priest, Pastor, Rabbi or Imam political power is like offering a 15 year old boy whiskey and car keys. Nothing good will come of it.
FQ13

[Kid Shelleen]

M'Lette
We never have been, are not now, and the good lord willing never will be, a judeo-christian nation.

I've got to disagree with you on this one FQ13. You are right in that we do not have a Judeo-Christian government, however we were founded upon Judeo-Christian principles and we have a majority Judeo-Christian populace therefore if we were to classify our nation in any religious context it would have to be...........Judeo-Christian. BHO recently said in Egypt, that "America is one of the world's largest Muslim nations" Which is a better and truer description of our nation?

[Pathfinder]

I've got to disagree with you on this one FQ13. You are right in that we do not have a Judeo-Christian government, however we were founded upon Judeo-Christian principles and we have a majority Judeo-Christian populace therefore if we were to classify our nation in any religious context it would have to be...........Judeo-Christian. BHO recently said in Egypt, that "America is one of the world's largest Muslim nations" Which is a better and truer description of our nation?

Join the rest of us, Kid.

FQ has an "interesting" interpretation of the Constitution and Biill of Rights. Worse yet, he is a college professor so he has done his best to indoctrinate the next generations as well. He fancies himself a libertarian and thought "golly wouldn't it just be keen to vote for that ole' libertarian guy bho" - which he went ahead and did.

His two points are so far off the mark as to beggar the imagination.

[tombogan03884]

Join the rest of us, Kid.

FQ has an "interesting" interpretation of the Constitution and Biill of Rights. Worse yet, he is a college professor so he has done his best to indoctrinate the next generations as well. He fancies himself a libertarian and thought "golly wouldn't it just be keen to vote for that ole' libertarian guy bho" - which he went ahead and did.

His two points are so far off the mark as to beggar the imagination.

What he said, in spades !

The pathetic part is that he claims his specialties are History and Poli Sci.   

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[Kid Shelleen]

Join the rest of us, Kid.

FQ has an "interesting" interpretation of the Constitution and Biill of Rights. Worse yet, he is a college professor so he has done his best to indoctrinate the next generations as well. He fancies himself a libertarian and thought "golly wouldn't it just be keen to vote for that ole' libertarian guy bho" - which he went ahead and did.

His two points are so far off the mark as to beggar the imagination.

I'm not sure what's worse for our kids, The way out, far left mainstream media or getting a college education. It's harder to find a conservative professor than reasonably priced ammo.

[MikeBjerum]

FQ,

You need to go all the way back to the reasons the first permenant settlers came to North America.  It was for freedom of religion and to get away from persecution.  Not to get away from Christianity, but to get away from government based Religion and Church run governement.

Our founders used Scripture in their daily meetings and procedings, they openly prayed during meetings, and the refered to God in both cassual and official writings and speaking.

Our Founding Fathers would have no problem explaining to us why we are in the mess we are today.  They would take one look around Washington DC and any state capital and make sure we understood that the wrong part of the pants are being warn out!

[garand4life]

Just my 2 cents but when you ask the question of when did we start going down the road to hell in a hand basket I can only say it was when we removed God from the center of society. FQ you are right that the founders understood there should be some separation between the governing body and the religious staples of society. However we took the approach over to the political extreme using the "separation of church and state" as a political motivation to give the government less accountability for their actions and to give organizations the ability to suppress the view of people of faith who disagree with the choices of government agencies and representatives. The founders based our nations foundation and laws on Judeo-Christian principles and beliefs for the simple reason that their religious beliefs depended on God to provide for the nation and therefore we as a nation took those beliefs into the center of our society. It created a moral compass of right and wrong that we have given up in the past few decades.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ,

You need to go all the way back to the reasons the first permenant settlers came to North America.  It was for freedom of religion and to get away from persecution.  Not to get away from Christianity, but to get away from government based Religion and Church run governement.

Our founders used Scripture in their daily meetings and procedings, they openly prayed during meetings, and the refered to God in both cassual and official writings and speaking.

Our Founding Fathers would have no problem explaining to us why we are in the mess we are today.  They would take one look around Washington DC and any state capital and make sure we understood that the wrong part of the pants are being warn out!

Actually M58 The pilgrims did not come here for freedom of religion. They came here for freedom of their religion. They quite cheerfully persecuted Quakers, Baptists and Catholics. It wasn't until Williams founded Rhode Island that we had freedom of religion here. Let me be clear, I am not attacking Christianity. I'm in church once week myself. I am also not denying that our culture is based on Christian values, and this a good thing. However, as I stated earlier (and I really don't see what is either wrong or incorrect about it)when the church and state mix, the chuch becomses corrupted and the state tyrranical. A government of Christians, yes. A Christian government, no. If someone wants to tell how that concept is radical I would be interestd.
FQ13

[Kid Shelleen]

The founders based our nations foundation and laws on Judeo-Christian principles and beliefs for the simple reason that their religious beliefs depended on God to provide for the nation and therefore we as a nation took those beliefs into the center of our society. It created a moral compass of right and wrong that we have given up in the past few decades.

Beautifully said.

I agree that our road to ruin began when we took God out of our schools, our council meetings, our courtrooms and out of our society as a whole. I hold the A.C.L.U. 100% responsible. What ever happened to tolerance? If you don't want to pray in school, then don't.

As a child, we traveled, with my father on business, to Beirut, Lebanon (At that time it was a beautiful and peaceful place). I saw, heard and watched Muslims called to prayer. I didn't join them because it was not my belief, but neither did I begrudge them theirs. In fact, quite to the contrary, as I learned more about them, I admired and respected their devotion and the fact that they lived their beliefs in their daily lives (I could easily see this as a 9 y/o child). Tolerance and respect for the belief of others. Not Politically Correct stupidity that allows small minorities to dictate policy to larger majorities. Let's send the A.C.L.U. overseas to ban public prayer in all Muslim nations. Problem solved..........No more A.C.L.U.