Watch this Dateline episode and tell me if this guy was guilty of murder?

[Tyler Durden]

Hi folks,

this thread is kinda to piggy back on the Oklahoma pharmacist thread from last week.

Go here and watch this whole thing:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31177459#31177459

And come back and vote.

Now if you really want to be entertained, you should go read the comments here:

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2009/06/08/2910425-trouble-on-the-hill?pc=25&sp=0#discussion

But only after you have voted, 'kay?!

Thanks!

[fightingquaker13]

Ok after sitting through that whole thing ( and how sad am I that would do do so, except that I suffer from insomnia and what else have I got to do at 6 in the am)? However, I can say I learned four usefull things
1 Regardless of what happened, he raised a good, smart, loyal daughter. Most of us would be lucky to have that carved on our tombstones.
2 There is in fact a more pretentious and obnoxious reporter than Geraldo Rivera, something I did not believe possible.
3 The guy is guilty as hell and deserves to go to jail
4 If you ever find yourself so pissed at your neighbor, or anyone else, that you want to pick up a gun and go "talk" to them, its time to open a beer and watch TV instead.
FQ13

[Tyler Durden]

Cool!

We get to skip right to the after action report.

I have to agree on all four counts, but with a * next to number three.

I think he should be convicted of the crime of POOR JUDGEMENT/DECISION MAKING for leaving the confines of his house with a handgun tucked into his waistband.  He did it anyway, against the advice of his legal counsel and his "security consultant"  .

(Those were paid "professionals" who should have put their foot down and said "enough is enough, we need to get you out of here" once that boulder was placed.)

To me that does NOT a first degree or second degree murderer make.

Some guy comes at me with a sledgehammer....or his wife hits me upside the head

Some lesser charge, yeah, most likely.

I started a similar thread on the Sig forum.  It's kind of taken on a life of its own.   

I won't spin this forum into that.

I have watched and re-watched that dateline episode and to me there are just too many holes in this whole story.

Too many holes = reasonable doubt, in my book .

Long story short, one or both parties should have just moved a long, long time ago.

[Tyler Durden]

By the way, fightingquaker it's NOT sad at all that you watched that.  I think all gun owners and especially all CCW'ers should watch it.  They should also watch the Oklahoma pharmacist video.  And the sole reason for that should be to learn what NOT to do. 

[Ping]

Great avatar Tyler. As for the story, kind of messed up. Engineers are a strange breed. Just watched the first, almost 7 minutes. Seemed as though both neighbors were a bit quirky.

As for the pharmacist in Oklahoma City, that was indeed murder.

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[Tyler Durden]

Ping wrote:

Seemed as though both neighbors were a bit quirky

You are falling hook, line, and sinker for the propaganda that Dateline/NBC is shoveling at you.

Dateline/NBC wants you to believe that because these people are being depicted as polar opposities in terms of personalities, beliefs, values, culture, and yeah, even ideology that is what caused the one to kill the other two.

You need to see past that.  In some respects, you do need to look at the shooting incident in context and in some other respects, you really do NEED to look at it in context.

I think it boils down to one man with a sledgehammer and his wife advancing in a hostile like manner towards an elderly man who unbeknownst to them was packing heat.  The elderly man, according to him, allegedly was attacked and shot both dead because he was afraid for his life.  He was acting in self-defense.

That is where I would classify taking the event prima facie out of context.  Now mix in the previous 4 years of ever racheting up feud between the two parties and the waters get very muddy very quickly.

as far as the Oklahoma pharmacist incident goes...  there is already a thread started on that, but I will respond with what Dennis Miller said on Bill O'Reilly:

You go into a drug store wearing ski masks and waving a gun around, what did you think was going to happen?   

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[tt11758]

as far as the Oklahoma pharmacist incident goes...  there is already a thread started on that, but I will respond with what Dennis Miller said on Bill O'Reilly:


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You go into a drug store wearing ski masks and waving a gun around, what did you think was going to happen?   

And therein, Tyler my friend, lies the difference between what MAY be "just" and what is "legal".

[Tyler Durden]

Kinda like abortion isn't it?

 

(oops, did I just say that out loud?)

Legal and just, I think, parted company a long, long time ago in this country.

[Hazcat]

WHEW!   Just listened past the trial (part 4 I think).

He said / she said.  He is the only witness.  Not guilty, at least by reasonable doubt.

[tt11758]

WHEW!   Just listened past the trial (part 4 I think).

He said / she said.  He is the only witness.  Not guilty, at least by reasonable doubt.

Hell Haz, they'd convict the gun if they could!!