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Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« on: June 16, 2009, 09:01:20 AM »
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Yesterday the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a preliminary analysis of the Kennedy-Dodd health care plan, and the results were truly frightening. Assessing just Title I of the draft legislation, CBO estimated the plan would add $1 trillion to the federal deficit while only extending health insurance to a net 16 million more Americans. As scary as that is, what is even more disturbing is what costs the CBO did not estimate: “The proposal does not include a ‘public plan’ that would be offered in the exchanges, nor does it contain provisions that would require employers to offer health insurance benefits or impose a fee or tax on them if they did not offer insurance coverage to their workers.”
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Even without the public plan, the CBO analysis undercuts one of the fundamental promises President Barack Obama has repeatedly made about health care reform. Speaking to the American Medical Association yesterday, President Obama promised: “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.” The CBO disagrees. According to their analysis, while the Kennedy-Dodd bill would enable 39 million Americans to obtain health insurance, the plan would kick about 15 million people out of the system because their employers would no longer offer insurance, and coverage from other sources would decline by 8 million. These numbers will only look worse once a public plan is factored in. And the public plan is just one of the biggest problems in the Kennedy-Dodd bill:

A Public Plan Will Deprive Millions of Americans of Their Current Health Care - An independent analysis by the Lewin Group, for example, shows that a public plan depending on eligibility and payments rates could result in up to 119.1 million Americans being switched by their employers from their existing coverage or transferred to government-sponsored coverage so that employers can reduce benefit costs. Thus a public plan, especially combined with a mandate on employers to offer government-specified coverage or pay a tax, would mean that millions of Americans would be pushed out of the private coverage they have today.

Mandates on Businesses and Individuals Act as Costly New Tax - The committee bill would impose “a shared responsibility” on both individuals and employers to pay for health coverage. These requirements amount to mandates, though the penalties are not spelled out. An employer mandate would be a regressive tax on business that would be directly shifted to employees in the form of reduced future wages or job losses. It would also spur many employers to drop private coverage, paying the tax rather than having to buy government-specified insurance. An individual mandate would force Americans to buy a set of health benefits designed by the government or suffer some penalty.

Federal Regulation of Health Insurance Undermine State Flexibility - Under the committee bill, Congress and federal officials would exert a high degree of control over health insurance, including underwriting and rating rules, and would prescriptively organize the market for competing health plans. That would limit the ability of states to design rules and market rules that fit local conditions.

As more details are added to the Kennedy-Dodd plan, its trillion-dollar price tag will only go up. And there is still nothing in the bill about how to pay for all the new spending. That means trillions more debt for our children. There is an alternative. A patient centered alternative that keeps health care decisions between doctors and patients instead of centralizing power in Washington. Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) bill, the Patient’s Choice Act, is just one example of what that approach could look like. Listen to Ryan explain his proposal, here.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/11/health-care-teleconference-with-rep-paul-ryan/

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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 09:02:56 AM »
Q "Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap"
A No !

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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 09:55:58 AM »
Again, no. The closest I'll get is letting any American citizen buy into the federal employee healthcare plan on their own nickel if private health care isn't available through their employer.
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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 10:19:51 AM »
Added the links for you......

And of course my answer to the question is 'No."
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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2009, 10:22:51 AM »
I do agree with one part of his plan...

 going from a paper system to a electronic one for medical records...
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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2009, 10:40:52 AM »
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By Debra J. Saunders, San Francisco Chronicle

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/48106117.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:U0ckkD:aEyKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

This was reprinted in the Minneapolis paper’s editorial page.

Obama's Council of Economic Advisers (headed by Romer) issued a report on June 2, "The Economic Case for Health Care Reform," that concluded: "The central finding of this report is that genuine health care reform has substantial benefits." You have to marvel at the ability of political staffers to congratulate themselves on great successes even before their plan has been adopted.

The report does a fine job of outlining the arguments in favor of containing health care costs. Every year, the rise in these costs eats more out of workers' paychecks. For some readers, premium inflation means that their take-home pay cannot keep pace with inflation and thus they are effectively suffering a pay cut. To make matters worse, many employees also are paying higher copayments for health care. Obviously, if Obama can put the brakes on this runaway health cost train, workers, employers and taxpayers will benefit.

But can he make health care universal -- that is, expand coverage to more Americans -- and still save taxpayers money without cutting back on the level of care that most Americans now enjoy?


Many times we hear about the virtues of the Canadian socialized health care system.  One would expect that, after decades of having the system in place, they should have it running at top efficiency.  One measure that you think we could compare is the rate at which health care costs are escalating in Canada vs. the US.  Surly, Canada with socialized medicine must have a handle on controlling medical inflation.

Wrong…

Watson Wyatt put out a report in 2008 that indicates that Canada has a higher rate of medical cost inflation than the US.

           Rate of Medical Cost Inflation Year over Year
                      2006      2007      2008
United States     8.3%     8.0%     11.0%
Canada           12.3%   11.5%   12.0%

Obama-Care has nothing to do with saving money!  It is about his personal power and government control of every aspect of our lives.

Just say NO to Obama-Care!
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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 10:50:32 AM »
Many times we hear about the virtues of the Canadian socialized health care system.  One would expect that, after decades of having the system in place, they should have it running at top efficiency.  One measure that you think we could compare is the rate at which health care costs are escalating in Canada vs. the US.  Surly, Canada with socialized medicine must have a handle on controlling medical inflation.

Wrong…

Watson Wyatt put out a report in 2008 that indicates that Canada has a higher rate of medical cost inflation than the US.

           Rate of Medical Cost Inflation Year over Year
                      2006      2007      2008
United States     8.3%     8.0%     11.0%
Canada           12.3%   11.5%   12.0%

Obama-Care has nothing to do with saving money!  It is about his personal power and government control of every aspect of our lives.

Just say NO to Obama-Care!

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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 10:54:33 AM »
 If Euro-socialist health care is so great how come so many of them come HERE for medical care ?

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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 11:21:35 AM »
I do agree with one part of his plan...

 going from a paper system to a electronic one for medical records...


Yea! Sounds great in theory...till the feds start looking into your medical records to determine if you have ANY health or mental concerns that might prohibit you (in there eyes) from owning a gun. It will be done under the guise of "public safety" but it's just another back door gun grab.

Still don't believe me? Ok try this: The most liberal and anti gun media outlet is NBC / MSNBC. These media outlets are owned by General Electric...Ok so what right? Here's the kicker. Jeffery Immelt owns GE. He's a BIG buddy of BHO, not to mention an anti gun nut. General Electric is the company that is poised to accept the (no bid) contract to make all of these medical records digital.


AND YOU TRUST THEM TO KEEP THOSE FILES CONFIDENTIAL???? ???
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Re: Are you buying into this Socialized Medicine Crap
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 11:42:19 AM »
did I say the data base would be in control of the goverment?

I don't trust my doctors to keep them confidental...that being said, my medical records are pretty damn boring.
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