Scary training video

[tombogan03884]

 I don't give a crap about his so back ground, he's a fool .
True safety is a myth ? Yes, especially when you have some  ass picker posing as  "trainer" who blows off basic safety rules. I hope he goes out of business before he gets some one killed or seriously injured. It is unfortunate that the cancer of his stupidity has already been spread to people who may not know any better.

[Hazcat]

His little 'yes men' are all posting attaboys on his answer.

The guy is an asshat and WILL get some one injured / killed SOON!

[MikeBjerum]

His little 'yes men' are all posting attaboys on his answer.

The guy is an asshat and WILL get some one injured / killed SOON!

Thanks for the update.  I refuse to go there.

[Marshal Halloway]

Welcome to the world of training and training theories.  

I have experienced two situations with bullets flying my way... I didn't like it. One was an AD, the other was not.

Later and as a producer, videographer or whatever I have to do get gun related content on tape, I don't need to practice stunts where I put myself or a videographer at risk. I also don't want to put a shooter in a situation where they have to be afraid of hurting someone in a non threatening situation.

We simply put remote cameras down range and believe me, a person shooting and knowing he has a 4000 dollar thingy next to the target, that person will for sure focus on the front sight. The risk is still there, but a camera can be replaced.

I have been participating and covering tactical training on 2 continents over the last 20 years and believe me, there are many training theories out there and every school has a slightly different approach to training. Heck, they also have to establish something that differ from their competitors. Because of that and over the years, the quality of training has in fact improved.

On the other hand and this is from my perspective.... No matter the different philosophies and theories out there... and when it comes down to a real life threatening situation... it is all about the knowledge of your equipment, the balance of speed and accuracy and most important, how you deal with panic control.

There is no doubt that a 360 degree training environment has its advantages especially for highly skilled and experienced LEO and military personnel. However, I am not so sure that it is a wise thing to offer this to the general "tactically inclined" civilian gun owner. It takes only one fatal mistake to give all civilian training schools a bad reputation.

No matter how good the training is when it comes to surviving a gunfight, it still has to be done in a controlled environment. I have had talks with veterans and LEOs who have been in gunfights and the general answer is this: No matter how well trained you are, you will never be able to prepare yourself 100% for the horror and where to find your own borderline between control and panic. The only thing that can make a difference is your own skills in acting fast and shooting accurate. It takes practice, practice and practice. Will shooting at a paper target with a person standing beside it, make you a better gunfighter? Nope.... It just makes you extra slow and careful.

Folks... my theory about this "scary training video" is pretty simple. Maybe the students were highly skilled shooters in a setting where the photographer didn't have a tripod and said... what the heck. They all agreed, someone filmed the whole dang thing and unfortunately it went public. I find it hard to believe that James Yaeger gave his approval to upload this video.

On top of that, we now experience a public damage control that is probably not the best I have witnessed.

Internet can be a damaging tool.......

[Kid Shelleen]

I just watched all 9 minutes of the "Explanation Video" and I have to say that my first impression when I called the guy a Mucking Foron was way off the mark.

He is a much, much bigger Mucking Foron than I first thought. This idiot is the lamestream medias wet dream. Let's hope that no one ever has him speak as a representative for armed Americans.

I will never, ever attend any of his training programs. If he changes the name of his program and I end up there by mistake, then I'll gladly walk away and forfeit any amount of money that I have mistakenly layed out.

He is trying to defend the indefensible. Putting that cameraman down range was unnecessary, unwarranted, uncaring, uncalled for and unbelievable. Calling him the world's biggest Mucking Foron is an understatement.

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[philw]

thanks for that Marshal 


I was thinking the price would be enough for a camera to make sure you hit the target 

lol I worry about shooting the Crony the other day at the stat title shoot to check my Ammo was in spec


if they feel they need 360 deg training  there is Simunition   why not use that?

yes it may cost more however if they NEED that training  then  pony up the cash for it

 

[MAUSERMAN]

That shit just isnt funny at all, someone could have missed a killed the camera guy. Some asshole just wasnt doing their job. Heck
i'll never use Tactical Response for any kind of training after seeing that.

[Pathfinder]

I purposefully did not say anything when I posted Yaeger's response or the comments on the survival podcast forum, wanting to see others' reactions, especially the M's and Rob's. My $.02:

Original video, as noted - dumb move by photographer - dumber move by shooters who continued to shoot. That was not a 360 degree training situation - that was a range "shoot the paper target downrange" situation. This appears to have been an unnecessary risk for a "tacticool" photo-op.

Most of us have figured out that  there are 360 situations, that's why we are trained to look around after having neutralized an immediate threat. Watch some of the TBD scenarios, or even the older PDTV videos with the robot - very good demos of the 360 environment.

Dumbest move was letting it be videotaped.

Response video - lame. The reason I told Eric to watch the video was so that he could see first hand the lunacy that was being offered as an explanation, the illogic and inconsistency and sheer rambling-ness (?) of the response. Came across as a feeble attempt at damage control, not a good, reasoned explanation.

Survival podcast forum - I did mention he was a major sponsor, didn't I? They have excellent discussions of preparedness and for that I will give them their props. They are off on this topic, though.

[tombogan03884]

 This is the SECOND comment I posted to that video, apparently the first one didn't get approved as it was not there when I checked back:

Safety is an unattainable myth ? Maybe, but it becomes more so when fools needlessly ignore basic safety. Yes, some people want or need 360 degree training, that's why reputable trainers incorporate simunition and high end air soft training into their programs, to supply the training with out endangering any one needlessly. Your foolishness plays into the hands of the anti gunners.

Lets see if they have the courage to post a differing view.

[deputy125]

well, i guess i was one of the "thousands" he refers to in emails sent to him at tactical response. his reply email was very short, vulgar, and explicit.........and totally unprofessional. His email response alone would cause me to question his methods, training, and business.

to me, the term "friendly fire" comes to mind considering the first video.