What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?

[Timothy]

Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.

Might I suggest some of the lazy children that sit in front of a video game for countless hours every week?  When I was a teen, I would have given anything to do work around my area because of something called a "Work Ethic".  Somewhere along the line our children have lost that particular trait for whatever reason.

We have ample people sitting around collecting untold billions in government funds.  Put their lazy asses on a bus and send them to California to pick produce!  Where ever there exists a Welfare office you'll find a workforce!

[fightingquaker13]

Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.

You are very right fullauto, and there is a two part solution.There are two big lies told about immigration. The first is that it is about racism . I hope I have addressed that. The second is that Americans won't do those jobs. This is false. They just won't do them uder the wages and conditions being offfered. Some jobs, like migrant farm labor, might never attract citizens, and for those I'd consider  guest worker programs. However when Bill Gates says he needs one at microsoft so he can bring in Indian programmers who will work at two thirds the wage of an American, I will invite him to pound sand.
The thing is there WILL be an inflationary effect, the same as there would be if wally world stopped carrying Chinese stuff and sold only American products. The thing is though, that the price increase would be distributed in the US economy, higher wages, more consumer spending, more  home ownership, higher tax revenues, hence better schools etc.. The same is true of hiring legal workers who pay taxes and don't send their money home via emittances to the family back in Mexico, but spend it here. Short term, a bit expensive, long term, worthwhile.At least thats my .02.
FQ13

[fullautovalmet76]

However when Bill Gates says he needs one at microsoft so he can bring in Indian programmers who will work at two thirds the wage of an American, I will invite him to pound sand.

I agree 1,637.3%! 

The thing is there WILL be an inflationary effect, the same as there would be if wally world stopped carrying Chinese stuff and sold only American products. The thing is though, that the price increase would be distributed in the US economy, higher wages, more consumer spending, more  home ownership, higher tax revenues, hence better schools etc.. The same is true of hiring legal workers who pay taxes and don't send their money home via emittances to the family back in Mexico, but spend it here. Short term, a bit expensive, long term, worthwhile.At least thats my .02.

I think you may be very close to reality here too.....

[tombogan03884]

Quaker alluded to this in one his posts, but I will ask directly:
Considering the nature of "unintended consequences," I ask who will pick the lettuce and make cheap lunch meat when we ship them home? There is a definite economic impact to sending them home- an inflationary impact. I have no idea what the total cost will be, but I'm thinking it will be more than we estimate.

How about welfare recipients and some of the 10%+ of the work force that can't find a job. Besides, they ain't just picking lettuce, I worked in 1/2 dozen machine shops in Ca. and only ONE wasn't full of cheap Mexican labor, and when "La Migra" showed up 3/4 of the crew vanished for the rest of the day.
FQ posted "However when Bill Gates says he needs one at microsoft so he can bring in Indian programmers who will work at two thirds the wage of an American, I will invite him to pound sand."

These 2 examples are why Pathfinder and I are out of work, because foreigners aren't just doing shit jobs, they are taking jobs away from citizens in ALL fields.

According to some numbers I saw recently one of the TWO top sources of revenue for the Mexican Govt. was taxes on $ sent home by Mexicans in the US, 20 million of whom are paying NO US taxes.

[ericire12]

How about welfare recipients and some of the 10%+ of the work force that can't find a job. Besides, they ain't just picking lettuce, I worked in 1/2 dozen machine shops in Ca. and only ONE wasn't full of cheap Mexican labor, and when "La Migra" showed up 3/4 of the crew vanished for the rest of the day.

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[Sponsor]

[Timothy]

They don't all come from the south either.  My shop in Providence had at least 15 to 20 illegal Portugese and Polish immigrants who'd been working there for years.  Nearly 20 percent of our workforce!

I worked there for 10 years before I realized that the owner was doing it.  The primary reason I left the company!

[shooter32]

Might I suggest some of the lazy children that sit in front of a video game for countless hours every week?  When I was a teen, I would have given anything to do work around my area because of something called a "Work Ethic".  Somewhere along the line our children have lost that particular trait for whatever reason.

We have ample people sitting around collecting untold billions in government funds.  Put their lazy asses on a bus and send them to California to pick produce!  Where ever there exists a Welfare office you'll find a workforce!

Absolutely. This is something that needs to be fixed!!!!

If your not here "LEGALLY" then get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WatchManUSA]

SARCASM IS NOW TURNED ON…

You guys are really harsh and insensitive.  These people are here because WE ARE THE PROBLEM.  If we were not so selfish, wealthy and consume so much of the world’s recourses they wouldn’t want to be here.  They really don’t want to be here.  Besides we need them more than they need us.  They do work no American wants to do.  As long as they are here we should treat them as our guests.

ACORN can probably get them counted in the census and registered to vote.

SARCASM IS NOW TURNED OFF…

[TAB]

Having worked in construction, from about 10 years old, illegals have completely destroyed the trades.

Just to give you some idea, in the mid 70s when my grandfather was head of the local painters and tapers union, they made more money then, then they do now.  back then every thing had to be brushed,  no rollers, no airless, just a 5 or 6 inch block brush. 
I get drasticly under cut on bids all the time from people hiring lillegal aliens.  its not uncommon and all for me to see bids that are less then my materal cost.  I pay on average about $25/ hour for my employees( which is more then union scale for most trades)
It costs me about $40/ hour for that employee in wages+ taxs+ comp... so if joe contractor hires illegals at 20/ hour they are still under cuyting me by half.