Ron Paul: Obama's 'Goal' Is Economic Collapse

[tombogan03884]

Thank God we're better than this now!  We have the education and the morals to know that every one is created equal and should be judged by their actions and not of their color/age/religion/sexual orientation/way of conception/disablility/or any other B.S.!

We realize that the Declaration of Independence is not meant for some, but for all!

It's fitting that on this Fourth of July weekend that we think of all the soldiers past and present who have fought and are fighting today for the very basic freedoms of loving and marrying whomever you want.  Reguardless of age, money, or color!

It's also amazing how the children and the grandchildren of those who's houses were burned to the ground by bigiotry, fear and hatered have risked (and given) their lives so that we may enjoy ours without worrying about our houses being burned to the ground!

And thank God they have guns to defend themselves and their families from those stupid enough to cause them harm because of prejudice.

Are we "better"?
While I would like to agree with you I can't help notice that an awful lot of those sons and daughters you mention are either in prison or sitting on their asses collecting on welfare. It wasn't Whites or Asians rioting in LA.
I don't consider myself a racist but if you look around you have to ask yourself whether or not there isn't some truth to what the Klan has to say.

[Ulmus]

Trust me, I grew up in inner-city Detroit (Highland Park) and the KKK is dead wrong about black people.

I can tell you that nobody growing up there ever said, "I can't wait to go on wellfare!"  Nope.  What I heard over and over was, "I can't wait to get a job and get out of here!"

Most people there are embarassed to be on wellfare.  Not all, but 95%.

I can also tell you that very few of the people in Highland Park spent a ton of money on designer clothes or tricked out cars.  In fact, the tricked out cars usually were owned by drug dealers.

Case in point:  I heard a girl in highschool boast about her boyfriend's new car.  It was a 1985 Dodge Omni. 

The ones you see on wellfare doing nothing.  The stereo-typical "trash" talked about.  Those are the ones that have been beaten by life and their surroundings.  They are the ones who never had support from their family.  They are the ones who believed that they weren't worth dirt.  Or they were the ones who had every chance kicked out from under them by their neighbors who were jealous.  (I've seen this happen in white rural areas as well.)  Don't hate these people, pity them.  For they have lost more than you will ever know.

But lets also point out the good side that happens.  Let's look at the child that was the product of a rape.  She was born a "bastard/bitch" by the old standard, and yet she went on to become a nurse, helping people.  Is she something less or something more than the average person?

Or what of the average ghetto child that has only one parent and works their way to get out of the area and become a prductive member of society.  Do you want to slap them back down into the ghetto and take their job away just because of their color?

 I keep hearing how people need to be rewarded for working hard, well don't you want to use these people as an example to the others that they can get out if they work at it?

If you've never lived in a large inner-city area with little or no job base and no tax base, don't judge by what you read in the news.  Spend time (and I mean years) with some people there and learn for yourself how good these people can be.

As for listening to the KKK about other people, let me ask you this.  Would you believe anything Hitler would say about the Jews?  How about Osama and what he thinks of Christians?

[tombogan03884]

 Like I say, I want to agree with you, My heart says your right but my head asks how come 95% of black voters backed BO's redistribution of working peoples money ?
I don't have much sympathy  for "Beat down", I moved out to Ca. with a pregnant wife a son and a 26 ft rider truck and came back with 2 checked bags and a carry on, I've been working in manufacturing with 1/2 ($187-$250/week) my pay going to Child support for 8 years, during which time I've been hospitalized for a heart attack and a hernia, then I got laid off in Feb. But I'm still looking, scheming and scrounging around to find SOMETHING.

[Ulmus]

It sounds like you are trying to do good by your kid.  That's great!  I applaud those who try to do the right thing.

I also understand the difficulties of having a hernia, heart attack and also trying to find a decent job in a bad economy and the frustration that goes along with it.  But you have something the "Beat Down" people don't have.  The belief that you can make things better for yourself.  That you still have a chance for a better life.  That is why I say to pity them.  They have given up.  You haven't.

Now as for the "95% of Black voters backing Obama's redistribution of working man's money", you've got it wrong.

95% of Black voters possibly voted for Obama because he said he was going to cut their taxes and raise the taxes on the super rich.  (Millionares and Billionares)  (I'm not a mind reader, so I'm humbly guessing here)  They feel that their taxes wereraised during the Bush administration while federal money for public works programs was being cut.  Obama and any Democrat is the best way to change that around.

Now lets look at your situation.  You're laid off right now.  Hopefully, you're getting unemployment.  But what if you've been unemployed for years?  Over a decade?  And the reason why you can't get a job it because of your skin color.  Or your political beliefs.  Maybe even because you were born in the "wrong State" or in a city.  You would think that's unfair now wouldn't you?

Now imagine if all you hear from one political party is complaint after complaint of how people like you are leeching off the system of "Good American Workers" and this party also takes away funding for job training, job fairs, and programs that would give job that might be temporary, but would help pay the bills for a few months.  How would you feel towards that political party?

Now imagine that another political part said they would lower your taxes so that the little money you do have, you can keep more of.  That they will put in more money for job education, day care so you can go to school, passes to get to that possible job, and create programs that will create jobs, thought temporary will give you a chance to pay some of your bills and make you feel good by being productive.

What party would you vote for?

When there is little hope a person will grab onto what little hope they can find and hold onto it as if their life depends on it.  Because more than likely, it does.

[tombogan03884]

 I hear what your saying Ulmas, and there is even a possibility that I will be applying for assistance if I don't find something before unemployment runs out.
But I DO feel like a discriminated race, I'm white. NH is 97% white, but 40% of the violent crime in NH is committed by blacks, 25% of the murders last year.
The circumstances of inner city life have not changed for hundreds of years, Rome was so over run with crime that they had to invent the concept of the municipal police force.  Where is the cultural life of the Jewish ghettos, or the social life of the Italian and Chinese neighborhoods, Boston used to have signs "No Irish need apply" "Dogs and Irish stay off the grass" but Southie was nearly crime free until the 70's when Busing started. Then you see black neighborhoods, trash in the streets, blocks of trashed buildings, anything nice put in is either tore up or has graffiti painted on it. Many nationalities have raised families in public housing, it seems to only be in black neighborhoods that they become such hellholes.
I don't know, I'm not judging, I'm just observing and questioning.

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[Ulmus]

I'm white too.  I grew up as the minority.  In Highschool, there were only two other white kids besides my brother and myself.  And yes, we were discriminated against.  But we were also discriminated against by poeple outside our city who thought we were black!  We caught it both ways.  But you know what?  When I looked deeper into it, and listened to what people were saying around me, and I saw one thing quite clear.  They all felt that they were being discriminated by some one and they would discriminate against some other group.  Sometimes, it was by race;  Sometimes by wealth; And sometimes it was by where they lived.  It was just like High School.  If you didn't belong to the right "click" you were ostracized.

But you know what else I found out?  The people that would ignore these fears, hates, and biases.  The people who made friends with others of different races, ages, sexual orientations, religions, and all those other "differences" that supposedly marked a difference between "them" and "us".  They were the ones who made it really big in life.  They got the good jobs.  They got the promotions,  They made the hard deals happen.  Why?  Because they had the reputation of being fair and honest and had a fantastic network of people backing them up and helping them out when a snag hit.  I also noticed that they were the happiest in life.  And I decided that's how I want my life to be.

Now as for the stats of crime where it relates to race and area.  You need to add in the econmics of the area as well as the resources available as well.  When someone needs food in a rural area, and they can't pay for it, they can go into the woods and hunt for it whether its legal or not.  Squirrle, rabbit, racoon, possum, deer, fish, its all there and available in a rural setting.

Now in a city you have dog, cat, rat, or pidgeon. for "game".  Or you can steal from a grocery store, or you can steal for money.  If you were starving and desperate, what would you do?

Don't forget that there are a lot more people in urban areas than in rural areas.  Its hotter there.  There's less wind to cool things off.  And you have less space to breath.  Remember Micheal bane's story of the mice in a box?  He said it in a podcast.  Once the number of mice hits a certain point, some of the mice turn canible.  Well, to a degree that happens in cities as well.  During the summer, when its hot ans sticky, and the smell of frsh asphalt is attacking your sinuses, your tension level goes way up and things annoy you much ore.  Some peole just snap. and BANG! A fight occurs that can lead to a shooting.  That's one part of it.  and accounts for , oh 1% of the killings.

Now the big one.  Drugs.  This causes most of the violent crime in the cities and also causes a lot of the garbage and neglect that happens in the cities as well.  I've been so close to three major drug/gang wars that I could tell the difference of the type of gun being fired by the sound and "shockwave" of the bullet going by.  I even suffered a bit of post tramatic stress from it as well.  Some fireworks sound very similar to 9 millimeter rounds.  IF you didn't have people buying these drugs, you'd cut back dramaticly on the violence as well.

So how do you do that?  You stop the "beat down" disease.  And that's what it is.  It is a mental disease that kills without killing the body.  Its super depression.  And may you never get it.  You gotta get these people to believe that they can make their area better.  That if they do fix things up that poeple will be willing to come in and spend money there.  And the way to do that is to build a community.  The only way to do that is to learn to trust and know your neighbor.  That is where the rural areas have the inner cities beat by a mile.  But guess what?  Its starting to form in the cities.  Its like a small weed in the crack of a sidewalk.  Its small.  Its struggling, but its there.  And its growing really well in the suburbs.

Areas that were white only (By money, not law) when i was a kid are now interracially mixed.  And guess what?  They are clean! Their crime hasn't skyrocketed!  People there are living and working together to make a better life!  They are showing the world that the basic desires to be productive in life is not, not based on color, religion, sexual orientation, or any of that!  They are the example of what can be done through work, trust ,and nonbias!  They show how great the United States of America truly is!  Lets be a part of that group and leave the haters on the side of the road where they belong.  Let's prove to the workers that they are right and to the haters, that they are wrong!  Yes we will get burned at times!  Yes we will be discriminated against at  times!  But its worth the fight!  In the end the American dream of living well by what you do and not who you are or the color of your skin, or your religion, or whatever will happen.

You can see it in the birhting stats already.  The largest group being born today is of mixed race.  Not white.  Not black, not asian, not latino, but Amrerican!

Its a great thing.

[PegLeg45]

Now as for the "95% of Black voters backing Obama's redistribution of working man's money", you've got it wrong.

95% of Black voters possibly voted for Obama because he said he was going to cut their taxes and raise the taxes on the super rich.  (Millionares and Billionares)  (I'm not a mind reader, so I'm humbly guessing here)  They feel that their taxes wereraised during the Bush administration while federal money for public works programs was being cut.  Obama and any Democrat is the best way to change that around.

Not trying to interrupt the ongoing debate, but wanted to interject an observation from my neck of the woods on why Blacks voted for Obama.

After watching TV interviews on local news stations, reading newspaper stories, and actually having discussions with people, the main reason Blacks in my area voted for Obama was simply because he is Black. A local TV news reporter asked a voter point blank why and the answer was "Because he Black, and we want a Black prez".
It mostly had nothing to do with experience, politics or anything else other than skin color.
I can't possibly speak for every Black voter, but that is what I personally came into contact with.

And, in my opinion, voting for a man just because he is Black is just as bad as NOT voting for a man just because he is Black.

All that being said, even if every Black voter in America voted for BHO, there still had to be help from other people.

[Ulmus]

It was expected that some black people voted for Obama because he is black, and it's even more expected to hear even more of them say it after he won the Presidency.  Ethnic pride in achieving something is alive and doing well.

Now I agree with you that it's stupid to vote on someone based only on their skin color, age, gender, or handshake stregnth.  But we all know that its done by that and by sound byte more often than not.

Let's look at Sara Palin for example.  The moment she came out as a possible V.P. choice, the boards came alive with comments.  And they weren't about her standings on the issues.  The very first response to her being a candidate was "Look at that rack!" Then there was the famous "Bikini" photo of her that went viral.  (I'm sure you can do a search and still find it in an old post here as well.)  When I was in Tennessee, I saw T-shirts with the Republican symbol on it along with the line "VPILF"  I can guarantee you that lots of people voted for McCain because of Palin's body and not her viewpoints.  I'd also hazard to say that the percentage of Alaskans who voted for McCain/Palin (because she's an Alaskan, Alaskan Woman, or hot Alaskan woman)  would be near the same percentage as those who voted for Obama because he is black.  And if McCain and Sara Palin had won, you'd hear more of them boasting about it right now.

It's a fact of life:  People are more likely to support those who they can identify with and if they come from the same area, or have the same heritage (to a point in some cases) those people will get a good chunk of votes because of this from that pertaining group.

Let's look at Kennedy.  (John)  I can bet you that back in the day many Irish Catholic priests told their congregation to vote for him because he's a "good Catholic Irishman".  And while I wasn't alive to hear it, I'd bet money that something like that was said and that a large amount of Irish would proudly admit they voted for him because he was Irish.

People are shallow.

Its one of our faults and its something we al need to be aware of try to keep in perspective.

I can say this.  The next black person running for President won't have it anywhere near as easy as Obama did.  Now the first Latino, the first Amrican Indian, the first openly gay...

[tombogan03884]

 None of which changes the fact that the Socialist usurping illegal alien bastard is a post turtle.

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2009/07/presented-without-comment.html

[JC5123]

I had watched The Obama Deception right after the election. Took the whole thing with a tablespoon of salt. Watched it again over the weekend, and needed a lot less salt. I was rather skeptical about the producers, since these were the same people advancing the theory that 9/11 was an inside job. But I think on this at least, they may be more right than wrong.

I have no doubt that Obama is NOT running the show, and is controlled by someone else. The question is of course who? The more I see in the news about the arrogance of the Federal Reserve, not to mention the hostile tactics they are using with congress, the more I think that this may be the REAL problem. This country is so far in debt to the Federal Reserve that, if they chose to do it, they could collapse the entire country overnight. We have people in congress calling for an audit, and Bernanke is telling them to kiss off. Where is Obama on this one? Quite silent. And it is his silence on common sense issues that is becoming very loud.

Hey Obama! What happened to accountability and transparency! You appoint Csars to run everything, you have given all power of the Treasury to the Federal Reserve. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! This fact goes against every principle that this nation was founded on.

If we are to restore the republic, then we must restore accountability. This starts by cutting the ties between politicians and the special interests that control them. These people will not take this action on their own. We must force them to govern by our rules, and not allow them to make up their own.