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fightingquaker13

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Rifle or Carbine?
« on: July 06, 2009, 04:26:39 AM »
Here's the thing. I've got my brand shiny new AR. It's a 16 inch barrel, M-4 configuration from DPMS. I bought this as an SHTF weapon. I've got a perfectly good 9mm and a very nice 12 gauge. The question is, how do I set this up? Do I treat it like an AK, across the living room to maybe 150yards, with iron sights or a red dot? Or do I treat it like a rifle, figuring 50-200 yards with some nice glass on top? I have the scope. Budget is definately an issue. I was thinking a tru-glow (or alternative you suggest) for the carbine, or a B@L Elite for the rifle (already own one). I am curious as to your suggestions. Pretend that its your new gun, with $250 to spend. How would you set it up? Forget lasers and flashlights and the like, I have no interest. (Not that they aren't valid options, just that I don't see myself kicking down doors in the near future). The floor is yours
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 06:14:56 AM »
What's the mission? What's the threat? How do you plan to use the DPMS?

Once you answer these - honestly - then you will know how to set it up.

If it were mine (and I have one BTW), I would get good with the iron sites, sighted in to 200 yards, then I would slap the Tru-Glo red-dot on it (I did - first one was defective BTW, replaced, no questions) and get good with them from 5 to 200 yards.

At that point, you're good to go.
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 07:03:29 AM »
I have my A2 set up with both a Leupold VX-1 2-7 x 33, and a Bushnell Trophy red dot.  This is the three gun set up, and it is going to get moved over to my new 16".

I'm planning a scope for the A2, and will dedicate if for more of a medium to long range gun.

The 7.62 will probably get a similar setup as the 5.56 16".

The hardware I have for all these optic choices is all quick release, so I can take it off and put it back on easily.  It is also usable with the iron sights without removing the optics - see through mounts or iron sights usable through the red dots.

If you want a truly SHTF weapon it needs to be minimal in gadgets, and you don't want something that relies completely on batteries.  It is one thing to keep the batteries fresh for a Saturday night invasion and gun fight, but what do you do in month 11 of an 18 month survival test and the batteries are depleted?  A more important thing with a SHTF carbine is familuarity!  Your defensive handgun should be just an extension of your arm and a point and shoot item.  The carbine should be the same.  Before you hang anything on it, spend a couple hundred dollars on ammo and drill, drill, drill.  Or, in the out of context sound bite of Mrs. Palin "Drill baby drill!"  If the left is going to turn it into a bad phrase I'm going to take it back to good  ;D
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 08:43:55 AM »
Carbine
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 08:54:51 AM »
 FQ, they covered both the points I would have raised,
1) mission, OK you want it for SHTF, Will it be for general purpose, or left by one window for the long shot you can't take with the shot gun ?
Assuming general purpose we come to
2) I don't like relying on batteries either, when I was in the National Guard I worked with the Supply Sgt. and in the field batteries were the one thing we NEVER had enough of, If the Army has trouble keeping up with demand where does that leave civilians when the stores are gone ? By the same token you do not want to be spending much time picking up your sight picture, so my choice would be either fiber optics or better still the tritium illuminated Fiber optics from Tru Glo, then, as they say about going to Carnagie Hall, practice man, practice.
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 12:49:21 PM »
As the others have said, in a SHTF situation, simplicity is the rule of the day.

If it were my rifle, and short-to-medium range SHTF use were my intention, then I would use either quick-detachable or see-through scope mounts with a fixed power (4x or 6x) scope with 30mm tube (max light gathering).

FWIW.....just my 2 pennies.

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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 12:55:44 PM »
MOAB.....(Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb) google it..clears a half mile radius of any and all zombie like creatures!

Or an AC 130 gunship.....just for the fun of it!    ;D
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2009, 01:20:09 PM »
Quote from: Timothy on July 06, 2009, 12:55:44 PM
MOAB.....(Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb) google it..clears a half mile radius of any and all zombie like creatures!

Or an AC 130 gunship.....just for the fun of it!    ;D

I think you posted in the wrong thread....
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=7550.0


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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 01:24:16 PM »
Quote from: Timothy on July 06, 2009, 12:55:44 PM
MOAB.....(Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb) google it..clears a half mile radius of any and all zombie like creatures!

Or an AC 130 gunship.....just for the fun of it!    ;D
Timothy
Due respect, but you were navy. In the army, they kind of discouraged us from calling in daisy cutters for close air support. (spoilsports)
As far as the AC-130, if you'll pay one to follow me around, I'll give you my AR. ;D
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MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE THREAD........
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 01:52:38 PM »
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