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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2009, 07:17:02 PM »
Quote from: Ping on July 06, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
Rifle and carbine. Carbine for closer quarters. Rifle for distance.

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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2009, 07:17:54 PM »
Quote from: PegLeg45 on July 06, 2009, 07:17:02 PM
Drift-killer.

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Yea Ping, what gives?  Buzzkill DUDE!

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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 07:25:21 PM »
Quote from: Ping on July 06, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
Rifle and carbine. Carbine for closer quarters. Rifle for distance.

All that and such a simple answer. +1
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 07:25:35 PM »
Quote from: Ping on July 06, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
Rifle and carbine. Carbine for closer quarters. Rifle for distance.
Yeah,but which for both? If I knew the scenario, it would be an easy call. Shot gun for CQB, scoped rifle for long range.The question is, which for a general purpose weapon? Good enough at both, probabbly not ideal for either. PS Anyone heard anything about the Vortex strikefire red dot?
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 07:29:21 PM »
Quote from: fightingquaker13 on July 06, 2009, 07:25:35 PM
Yeah,but which for both? If I knew the scenario, it would be an easy call. Shot gun for CQB, scoped rifle for long range.The question is, which for a general purpose weapon? Good enough at both, probabbly not ideal for either. PS Anyone heard anything about the Vortex strikefire red dot?
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Look, go with the M4 carbine setup with the reddot and BUIS set to 200 yards. The carbine is good to what? 4-500 yards? And the rifle maybe another 100 or so. Odds are you will never be in need of reaching out to 600 yards anyhow, and for that you will need an M1A.
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2009, 07:36:16 PM »
Quote from: Pathfinder on July 06, 2009, 07:29:21 PM
Look, go with the M4 carbine setup with the reddot and BUIS set to 200 yards. The carbine is good to what? 4-500 yards? And the rifle maybe another 100 or so. Odds are you will never be in need of reaching out to 600 yards anyhow, and for that you will need an M1A.


Thanks....you beat me to it, but that is what I was seriously thinking also.
If you already have the carbine, set it up for work at appropriate distances and practice with it. With the right loads, a carbine can be almost as accurate for SHTF purposes as a rifle.
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 07:52:14 PM »
 How far do your sight lines extend ?, Fl. lots of vegetation, unless you are out side firing down the street you will not be able to see a target over 100 yards away, either stick with Iron or the ruggedest optic you can find with the understanding it is for fast target acquisition, not sniping.
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2009, 07:54:12 PM »
Sorry for drift killing. I will head to the corner with my sliderule.  :)
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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2009, 07:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Ping on July 06, 2009, 07:54:12 PM
Sorry for drift killing. I will head to the corner with my sliderule.  :)

Well, don't be sorry.....we need it from time to time or we'd get totally out of hand.......... us?.....out of hand?
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For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

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Re: Rifle or Carbine?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2009, 08:38:07 PM »
Most of my go to, long guns are carbines, ( is that an oxymoron? ) because it is light, and short, easy to handle, so I will carry it. I love my M1a's, but I have humped one, for a full day, and well, I ain't 20 any more. They will stay in my stable, but a word of advice, if you pack a full size rifle, like the M1, M1a, HK 91, FN FAL, sling it right off the bat, if you keep it in one hand cruising, it will get very old, very fast. If your like KSAIL, fresh from the sand box, your used to carrying much more and god bless ya.

My personal carbine that is the grab an go, an A3 DPMS, 16" with a comp M2 aimpoint, stock front sight base and a Troy folding rear sight. So far always reliable, and it has 2 30rd mags in a magcinch attached, so if I'm out in 5 seconds, I got 60 rds at the ready. It does have a flashlight attached. Quad rail, and I'm thinking a new attachment, not a coffee grinder, but a simple tube or container of some type to carry spare batteries, otis cleaner, spare parts etc.. My aimpoint is a 10,000 hr, May send it in for the 50,000 hr upgrade. 10,000 hrs gives you 1 yr, if you leave it on, in a low setting for the whole yr. Watch the classifieds and you can find one for under 400, steep, but worth it.

AK's, I'm cool,with that, it does have better penetration, and 200 yrds and under, great, short rifle, + I have lots of it stored away, 7.62x39 of course. This cartridge will, penetrate a telephone pole and have enough energy left over to knock over a 25lb steel plate. Course sights, not ideally placed, but usable, better than average trigger pull, if long.

If you own an AR with a 1in8 twist or faster, and you can afford it, check out the mk77 ammo, 77 grn bullet is getting great reviews from the sand box, for penetration and accuracy.  If not the 62-63 grn armor piercing, is a good alternative. Leave out hollow point and soft points in .223. They will blow up on foliage.

Magazines, the AK mags and M1a/M14 mags are robust, but I have Vietnam era m16 mags that still function flawlessly, I try not to stomp on them, as they will bend, Pmags are stouter.
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