Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isn’t president - UPDATE-

[twyacht]

In the "Third world shit hole" Department I don't think Afghanistan can be beat.
1) Lousy climate
2) It's all either straight up or straight down
3) Land mines EVERYWHERE
4) Ground level rises up to 20,000 feet
5) Population hates EVERY ONE
6) 1500 year history of abject poverty and warfare
Yep, pretty much the worlds #1 shit hole

Somalia is #2.

[tombogan03884]

In the "Third world shit hole" Department I don't think Afghanistan can be beat.
1) Lousy climate
2) It's all either straight up or straight down
3) Land mines EVERYWHERE
4) Ground level rises up to 20,000 feet
5) Population hates EVERY ONE
6) 1500 year history of abject poverty and warfare
Yep, pretty much the worlds #1 shit hole

Somalia is #2.

Only because it's mostly flat.

[fightingquaker13]

Only because it's mostly flat.

It also has nice beaches, and lots of cool speedboats with intersting accesories.
 Seriously, this guy seems about as sincere as a those Marines and soldiers in Gulf War One who refused to deploy. Remember this case? There were about seven of them who claimed CO status based on the grounds that when they signed up they never realized they would actually have to kill anyone. Now, I was just  in College at the time, but we had just finished doing bayonet drills when the news broke. We assembled bright and early on the practice soccer field, were handed an unloaded M16 with bayonet, and were queried by a more than slightly crazy Sgt. Major as to what was the "spirit of the bayonet". The correct answer was "To Kill, Sgt. Major, To Kill!!!!" We were then instructed to"Make a war face" and run down the field, stick an old tackling dummy (remembering to give the 45 degree angle twist) and follow up with a butt stroke. I will confess to being an overeducated elitist, but there did not seem to be a whole lot of ambiguity to the execersize. The consensus was, screw'em. Likewise, this idiot took the king's shilling and now doesn't want to fight in a war that virtually every American, of both parties, feels is just and necesary because of politics. He says BO isn't a citizen. What I hear is "It's cold over there and those Afghans are mean and Id have to leave my cushy civilian job and did I mention those Afghans are mean". Sorry pal, You're a field grade officer, Obama didn't start this war, and neither did W, Bin Laden did, and it ain't about you. Do your damn job or face court martial for refusing to deploy during war time. As said in '89 and I'll say now, screw him, and politics has nothing to do with it.
FQ13  

[Rastus]

In the "Third world shit hole" Department I don't think Afghanistan Washington D.C. can be beat.
1) Lousy greedy ex-politicians lying about the climate to rake in big bucks from the public's pockets.
2) It's all either straight up to the faux mountain top of enlightenment or straight down the toilet of doom whenever a liberal speaks of things they do or don't like.
3) Political Land mines EVERYWHERE during testimony by conservatives.
4) Ground level rises up to 20,000 feet when liberals are seated so they can pontificate absolute truth and justice to "the little people"
5) Population hates EVERY ONE who enters the city of Washington DC who is conservative, they are afraid they may lose their "free lunch" card and/or political power they bought using the people's taxes.
6) Adopting rules and practics of nations with a 1500 year history of abject poverty and warfare enjoyed by some of the third world is the liberal model for our "leaders".
Yep, pretty much the worlds #1 shit hole

Somalia is #2.  Not by much.

Sorry guys, I thought the extensive rewrites were necessary.

Also, it is judgemental and disingenuine to attribute dishonorable intentions to the soldier for refusing to deploy on the basis he has put forth.  He has good intentions, c'mon...liberals honor good intentions, don't they????or...maybe just their good intentions, eh?

Much evidence has come forth that should be investigated which may put to rest the questions about BHO's citizenship....such as what nation's passport(s) did he travel under internationally.  If a US Passport, there would be a record...simple enough to research.  If I were POTUS I would jump at the opportunity to produce my old passport records.  BHO has not.

Questions about his Hawaii birth certificate being backdated because it was produced on a form that did not exist until many years after the date on the certificate.  If I were POTUS I would jump at the opportunity to produce other's birth certificates from the same time period to compare my certificate to....even to the form used to apply for the birth certificate.  BHO has not.

I can understand not addressing certain issues, but if a citizen, it would be very easy for BHO to destroy the doubts listed above and he would be able to "move on" and at the same time discredit "conservatives" on a single issue.  It would give BHO tremendous morale high ground over his opponents....morale high ground, something BHO alludes to and claims at every turn....yet the foundation that would provide this morale high ground, which would be easy for a citizen to claim and at the same time provide enormous political clout, has not been exploited. 

[fightingquaker13]

Sorry guys, I thought the extensive rewrites were necessary.

Also, it is judgemental and disingenuine to attribute dishonorable intentions to the soldier for refusing to deploy on the basis he has put forth.  He has good intentions, c'mon...liberals honor good intentions, don't they????or...maybe just their good intentions, eh?

Much evidence has come forth that should be investigated which may put to rest the questions about BHO's citizenship....such as what nation's passport(s) did he travel under internationally.  If a US Passport, there would be a record...simple enough to research.  If I were POTUS I would jump at the opportunity to produce my old passport records.  BHO has not.

Questions about his Hawaii birth certificate being backdated because it was produced on a form that did not exist until many years after the date on the certificate.  If I were POTUS I would jump at the opportunity to produce other's birth certificates from the same time period to compare my certificate to....even to the form used to apply for the birth certificate.  BHO has not.

I can understand not addressing certain issues, but if a citizen, it would be very easy for BHO to destroy the doubts listed above and he would be able to "move on" and at the same time discredit "conservatives" on a single issue.  It would give BHO tremendous morale high ground over his opponents....morale high ground, something BHO alludes to and claims at every turn....yet the foundation that would provide this morale high ground, which would be easy for a citizen to claim and at the same time provide enormous political clout, has not been exploited. 

Rastus
I know that that you are the LAST person to be judgemental. Nevertheless, there is nothing disigenuious about my insistence that we seperate a FIELD GRADE OFFICER'S refusal to follow a lawful order to deploy, from the political snark hunt you are on. (To briefly recap my opinion on BO's citizenship, do you really think that if it were an issue that the Clinton slime machine and the GOP/Karl Rove counter-part wouldn't have figured this out? Hell, they used a kindergarden essay he wrote agaist him. Its not like they didn't go over his record with a fine tooth comb). Obama isn't the issue Rastus. Its not BO's war. Its not W's war. It's OUR war, and this sorry excuse for an officer, using fringe poitics as a fig leaf, won't go. He disgusts me. The marine officers have a word for folks like him, it's "slimy creature". If it were an unlawful order, good for him. If it were a war BO started, understandable, but under the circumstances and reasons for our involvement in Afghanistan, he is at best selfish and at worst a coward grasping at straws.
FQ13

[Sponsor]

[pops1911]

Whatever you feel about his citizenship (& it will be proven at some point he is NOT eligible to hold the office of President) his actions to date have been treasonous on many fronts & must be dealt with. It makes it so much easier if the citizenship issue is proved, because that negates all his 'work' to socialize the US, deletes all persons appointed by him & the future actions taken by him & his minions to destroy our way of life in the US. As others have stated, we will become a communist country (or socialist at the very least) bit by bit & the average citizen will not notice, care or even realize what it means until it is too late. This is a process that has been going on for many years culminating with BHo. By the end of his term (4 years, 8 years, forever if he gets his way) this country will be part of the world community with no constitutional rights as they exist today - they will be liberally interpreted away with no recourse. Talk about 1984!!!! That would be a pleasure compared to where we are headed. It may take an armed refvolution to fix this if nobody does anything soon. BHo just ignores any challenges to his acts (although you can see the burn at times on his face!!!) - that way there can be no judgement. The old 'side-step' routine still works well for him, because no one has the balls to call him on anything except those of us that don't count. The news media has been bought & paid for as well as many politicians & other 'leaders'.

BHo's puppet-master must be very proud - no one can or will do anything. This ship is adrift with no responsible party at the helm & will self-destruct soon. The puppet-master will be pleased that it was so easy.

[tombogan03884]

Rastus, I don't mind the rewrites 
I agree with you that it is wrong to ASSUME dishonorable intentions on the part of an "Officer and Gentleman". On one hand he is correct that orders from a usurper are illegal and any one in the chain of Command with doubts about them has a legal responsibility to question any orders they reasonably believe to be illegal. Nuremberg hung a lot of Germans making that point and it is spelled out in the UCMJ.
That being said, FQ is correct, BO did not start the policy of deploying troops to Afghanistan. Bush, to the cheers of the entire Nation began this policy, the Majors orders were issued based on a preexisting policy of the DOD so the legitimacy of BO's position at the top of the chain of command has no bearing on his deployment.
As to motives, as a Major he has probably deployed before, probably more than once, so I would lean more toward misguided. Since his questions about BO's authority are otherwise valid I would have to point out that he followed the dictates of the UCMJ by seeking clarification from higher authority. The proof of the pudding will depend on his future conduct.
FQ, I hope you realize that this is a different matter than those asses who said "I only joined for the free college". My answer to them was, "Well now it's time to pay your f#@king tuition".
I had a friend who was a Marine Sgt. at the time, one of his Marines refused to go out on patrol. The Sgt drew his pistol, put one round between the Pvt's feet, put the pistol to his head and explained that the Iraqis MIGHT kill him out there, but the Sgt. would definitely kill him if he didn't get his gutless f%^&ing ass out there. Problem solved. 

[mudman]

FQ your skirt is showing.

[tt11758]

The government wins in the end.  One way or the other.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104044

BORN IN THE USA?
Pentagon orders soldier fired for challenging prez
Army warrior terminated from job after questioning Obama eligibility

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Posted: July 15, 2009
3:08 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling and Joe Kovacs
© 2009 WorldNetDaily



Dr. Orly Taitz
 

The Department of Defense has allegedly compelled a private employer to fire a U.S. Army Reserve major from his civilian job after he had his military deployment orders revoked for arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

According to the CEO of Simtech Inc., a private company contracted by the Defense Security Services, an agency of the Department of Defense, the federal government has compelled the termination of Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook.

Cook's attorney, Orly Taitz, wrote in her blog that Simtech CEO Larry Grice said he would try to find another position within the company for Cook, but nothing is currently available.

The Department of Defense does contracting in the general field of information technology/systems integration, at which Cook, a senior systems engineer and architect, was employed until taking a military leave of absence on July 10 in preparation for his deployment to Afghanistan.

"Grice told plaintiff, in essence, that the situation had become 'nutty and crazy,' and that plaintiff would no longer be able to work at his old position," Taitz wrote.

Grice made clear that it was Defense Security Services that had compelled Simtech to fire Cook, Taitz wrote.

According to the report, Grice told Cook "there was some gossip that 'people were disappointed in' the plaintiff because they thought he was manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes."

The Simtech CEO then discussed Cook's expectation of final paychecks, without any severance pay, and wished the soldier well.

Messages left with Grice's office had not been returned at the time of this report.

"A federal agency (such as the Department of Defense, acting through the Defense Security Services Agency) clearly violates the Whistleblower Protection Act if it takes or fails to take (or threatens to take or fail to take) a personnel action with respect to any employee or applicant because of any disclosure of information by the employee or applicant that he or she reasonably believes evidences a violation of a law, rule or regulation; gross mismanagement; gross waste of funds; an abuse of authority; or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety," Taitz wrote.

"What has happened in the present case of Stefan Frederick Cook is that a federal agency appears to have taken action against Stefan Frederick Cook's private employer, Simtech, Inc., which is a closely held corporation owned and operated by members of a single family, who are as much victims of the Department of Defense's heavy-handed interference with plaintiff Cook's private-sector employment as is plaintiff Cook himself."

As WND reported, Taitz confirmed to WND the military rescinded Maj. Cook's impending deployment orders.

"We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"

She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons – just revoked."

A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, is still scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m.

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"As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief," he told WND only hours after his case was originally filed.

 "[Then] any order coming out of the presidency or his chain of command is illegal. Should I deploy, I would essentially be following an illegal [order]. If I happened to be captured by the enemy in a foreign land, I would not be privy to the Geneva Convention protections," he said.

The order for the hearing in the federal court for the Middle District of Georgia from U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land said the hearing on the request for a temporary restraining order would be held Thursday.

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Cook said without a legitimate president as commander-in-chief, members of the U.S. military in overseas actions could be determined to be "war criminals and subject to prosecution."

He said the vast array of information about Obama that is not available to the public confirms to him "something is amiss."

"That and the fact the individual who is occupying the White House has not been entirely truthful with anybody," he said. "Every time anyone has made an inquiry, it has been either cast aside, it has been maligned, it has been laughed at or just dismissed summarily without further investigation.

"You know what. It would be so simple to solve. Just produce the long-form document, certificate of live birth," he said.

Cook said he was scheduled to report for duty today to deploy to Afghanistan as part of President Obama's plan to increase pressure of insurgent forces there.

He told WND he would be prepared for a backlash against him as a military officer, since members of the military swear to uphold and follow their orders. However, he noted that following an illegal order would be just as bad as failing to follow a legal order.

Just before news of the orders being revoked were reported, MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann called Cook a "jackass" and Taitz a "conwoman," as he labeled both of them the "worst persons in the world." He flayed the soldier as "an embarrassment to all those who have served without cowardice."

Named as defendants in the case are Col. Wanda Good, Col. Thomas Macdonald, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Obama, described as "de facto president of the United States."


According to the court filing, Cook affirmed when he joined the military, he took the following oath: "I, Stefan Frederick Cook, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

However, he later took the following officer oath: "I, Stefan Frederick Cook, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of Major do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

According to the claim, "Plaintiff submits that it is implicit though not expressly stated that an officer is and should be subject to court-martial, because he will be derelict in the performance of his duties, if he does not inquire as to the lawfulness, the legality, the legitimacy of the orders which he has received, whether those orders are specific or general."

The military courts offer no option for raising the question, so he turned to civilian courts to consider "a question of paramount constitutional and legal importance: the validity of the chain of command under a president whose election, eligibility, and constitutional status appear open to serious question."

"Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as president, basically needs only produce a single unique historical document for the Plaintiff’s inspection and authentication: namely, the 'long-form' birth certificate which will confirm whether Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born to parents who were both citizens of the United States in Honolulu, Hawaii, in or about 1961," explains the complaint.

Taitz said she will attend the hearing to amend the temporary restraining order to an injunction because more members of the military have joined the cause.

"We are going to be asking for release of Obama's records because now this completely undermines the military. It revoked this order, but it can come up with another order tomorrow. It can come up with orders for other people," she said. "Am I going to be flying around the country 1,000 times and paying the fees every time they issue an order?"

Defendant Col. Wanda Good filed a motion to dismiss the plaintiff's action for a temporary restraining order "for lack of jurisdiction" today.

"This case no longer presents a live case or controversy, nor does Major Cook have standing to pursue his claim," it states, "therefore, the Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction over his claims and they should be dismissed."

It continued, "The Commanding General of SOCCENT has determined that he does not want the services of Major Cook, and has revoked his deployment orders. .. Without mobilization orders, Major Cook lacks standing to pursue his claims."

But Taitz said the issue "must be resolved immediately," and she will continue working to ensure Obama proves he is eligible for office.

"We're going to be asking the judge to issue an order for Obama to provide his vital records to show he is legitimately president," she said. "We're going to say, we have orders every day, and we'll have revocations every day. This issue has to be decided."

She said there cannot be any harm to the president if he is legitimately holding office.

"If he is legitimate, then his vital records will prove it," Taitz said. "If he is illegitimate, then he should not have been there in the first place."

Asked what this decision means for every other serviceman who objects to deployment under a president who has not proven he is eligible for office, Taitz responded:

"Now, we can have each and every member of the military – each and every enlistee and officer – file something similar saying 'I will not take orders until Obama is legitimately vetted.'"

Multiple questions have been raised about what that would mean to the 2008 election, to the orders and laws Obama has signed and other issues, including whether he then is a valid commander-in-chief of the military.

The mystery letter


Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center. His remarks begin at the 55:27 mark of the press briefing. (Click photo to view)
 

Obama has maintained he was born in Hawaii, and at least one hospital, Honolulu's Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children, claims it received a letter from the president declaring his birth there.

As WND reported, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm that the letter which was used by the hospital to solicit donations is, in fact, a real correspondence.

When WND exposed doubts about the authenticity of the letter because it was created with HTML computer code and had no presidential or White House seal, the hospital which for nearly six months proudly declared Obama was born at its facility commenced an active cover-up, hiding that White House letter from its original webpage and refusing to confirm such a letter actually exists.

WND also reported that just within the last week, at least two reports have cited Obama's birth in Kenya. Wikipedia also was found to have been reporting on Obama's birth in Kenya, before a series of scrubs placed his birth in Honolulu.

And that came on the heels of several online information sites changing the president's supposed birthplace from one hospital in Hawaii to another, after WND broke the news of the letter said to be from the White House.

[tombogan03884]

 The Major just went from being on questionable ground to being a victim of a Socialist purge for questioning the post turtle in chief.