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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 03:40:30 PM »
So she understands because she has friends who hunt?  Whoopdie-freaking-doo!!  I have friends who've given birth, but that doesn't mean I understand what it's like to shit a watermelon.
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2009, 03:59:37 PM »
But it has no transfer safety, it's been "disbarred".  ;D


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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2009, 04:03:01 PM »
So she understands because she has friends who hunt?  Whoopdie-freaking-doo!!  I have friends who've given birth, but that doesn't mean I understand what it's like to shit a watermelon.

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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2009, 05:03:02 PM »
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_12-2009_07_18.shtml#1247776726

 On [1]Contentions, Jenifer Rubin recalls Jeff Rosen's preemptive
   warnings about Judge Sotomayor:

     After two days of Sotomayor testimony I thought of [2]Jeffrey
     Rosenâs piece on Sotomayor back in May (before he had to backpedal
     and support her so as not to embarrass the âteamâ). I donât think
     much of his temperament criticism, but his analysis of her legal
     and intellectual capabilities seems exactly on the money:

     The most consistent concern was that Sotomayor, although an able
     lawyer, was ânot that smart and kind of a bully on the bench,â as
     one former Second Circuit clerk for another judge put it. â
     [. . .]
     Her opinions, although competent, are viewed by former prosecutors
     as not especially clean or tight, and sometimes miss the forest for
     the trees. Itâs customary, for example, for Second Circuit judges
     to circulate their draft opinions to invite a robust exchange of
     views. Sotomayor, several former clerks complained, rankled her
     colleagues by sending long memos that didnât distinguish between
     substantive and trivial points, with petty editing
     suggestionsâfixing typos and the likeârather than focusing on the
     core analytical issues.
     Some former clerks and prosecutors expressed concerns about her
     command of technical legal details: In 2001, for example, a
     conservative colleague, Ralph Winter, included an unusual footnote
     in a case suggesting that an earlier opinion by Sotomayor might
     have inadvertently misstated the law in a way that misled
     litigants. The most controversial case in which Sotomayor
     participated is Ricci v. DeStefano, the explosive case involving
     affirmative action in the New Haven fire department, which is now
     being reviewed by the Supreme Court. A panel including Sotomayor
     ruled against the firefighters in a perfunctory unpublished
     opinion. This provoked Judge Cabranes, a fellow Clinton appointee,
     to object to the panelâs opinion that contained âno reference
     whatsoever to the constitutional issues at the core of this case.â
     (The extent of Sotomayorâs involvement in the opinion itself is not
     publicly known.)

     Has she said anything to dispel these concerns? Whether examining
     her verbal skills, her command of the law or her intellectual
     acuity, I come away thinking she is one of the least impressive
     Supreme Court nominees to come along in recent memory. Judge Robert
     Bork was obviously not everyoneâs ideal judge, but the manâs
     intellectual prowess was undeniable and he refused to lie about his
     views. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was frankly charming and
     sharp-witted in her testimony and could march the senators through
     the evolution of a number of strains of jurisprudence.

   Then there is this passage:

     Rosen was trying to warn his liberal compatriots that they could do
     âbetterâ than Sotomayor. He was right and should get some credit
     for his effort. Imagine if Diane Wood or Kathleen Sullivan, both
     liberal in philosophy but undeniably impressive, had been up there
     over the last couple of days. I suspect that conservatives would
     have been staring at their shoes, struggling for reasons to say
     ânoâ and grudgingly acknowledging that the nominee was going to add
     something to the Court beyond her gender.

   When Rosen published his critique, I knew very little about Sotomayor.
   After forcing myself to watch much of the hearings, I wonder if those
   who criticized him then are having any second thoughts today.

References

   1. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/73431
   2. http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=45d56e6f-f497-4b19-9c63-04e10199a085


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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 08:25:22 PM »
You are correct that her statement was: "I understand how important the right to keep and bear arms is to many people."

She did not say that it was important to her or that she agreed with it. A typical slimy, elusive, political response. :-X


Actually Kid, you're wrong, it was the one honest and clear answer she did give, and it was scary. She said she saw the 2A was important to people, and I believe her. I would answer the same way if I was asked about the the pro-life position or the drug prohibition position. I do understand the reasoning, I just don't agree. Rastus would say the same about pro-choice or TW about drug legalization. She made herself very clear. I was pleasantly surprised when W nominated Roberts and appalled by Alito.I am appalled by Sotomajor ( I was hoping for a liberal version of O'Conner or Kennedy) and have let my senators know this. Unfortuneatly Nelson is up for reelection in Fl. and Martinez is voting for a Latina.
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 09:28:34 PM »
Actually Kid, you're wrong, it was the one honest and clear answer she did give, and it was scary. She said she saw the 2A was important to people, and I believe her. I would answer the same way if I was asked about the the pro-life position or the drug prohibition position. I do understand the reasoning, I just don't agree. Rastus would say the same about pro-choice or TW about drug legalization. She made herself very clear. I was pleasantly surprised when W nominated Roberts and appalled by Alito.I am appalled by Sotomajor ( I was hoping for a liberal version of O'Conner or Kennedy) and have let my senators know this. Unfortuneatly Nelson is up for reelection in Fl. and Martinez is voting for a Latina.
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Agreed. Her response spoke volumes in what it did say. It was what she would not say that scares me. I felt that she very intentionally did not respond with something akin to, I personally support the Second Amendment and will seek to uphold it.

When she expressed her "understanding" of the importance of the right to keep and bear arms to many people, she managed to avoid telling us about her personal beliefs.

If I am reading you right, I believe that we are on the same page and that we both are unsettled about her 2A stance, or lack thereof.
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 09:42:07 PM »
Agreed. Her response spoke volumes in what it did say. It was what she would not say that scares me. I felt that she very intentionally did not respond with something akin to, I personally support the Second Amendment and will seek to uphold it.

When she expressed her "understanding" of the importance of the right to keep and bear arms to many people, she managed to avoid telling us about her personal beliefs.

If I am reading you right, I believe that we are on the same page and that we both are unsettled about her 2A stance, or lack thereof.
Exactly, only there's no lack thereof. Judicial hearings are Kabuki theatre and always have been even before TV and its attendant posturing. (Anyone notice how most Senators "questions" are about 3/4 speech and 1/4 questions)? Senators want to know how a justice will vote on A,B or C. Justices can't say or they would indicate bias and would have to recuse themselves. The best they can do is talk about legal reasoning or judicial philosophy, all with both parties sharing a nod and a wink. She made herself crystal clear. She will support Heller in a very limited fashion (National Parks no, AWB no, right to handguns yes, though with God knows what restrictions). She will not support incorporation of the 2A. With any judicial hearing its about what isn't said. That's tougher due to every senator's inability to ask simple questions, shut up, listen to the answer and then follow through. They cant resist making speeches rather than acting like attorneys during cross examination, which is what they SHOULD be doing.
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2009, 06:54:28 AM »
Simple question here:

I have friends that don't hunt, friends that are afraid of guns, and in-laws that hate guns ... Does this make me a "Brady  ???"
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2009, 07:11:59 AM »
Simple question here:

I have friends that don't hunt, friends that are afraid of guns, and in-laws that hate guns ... Does this make me a "Brady  ???"

Hmmm...I kinda noticed something strange about you when we were eating pizza.  Now it clicks.

In the same vein, liberals support people who think they are gods, does that make liberals angels?
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Re: Soto says, 'I have friends who hunt'
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2009, 03:32:29 PM »
Hmmm...I kinda noticed something strange about you when we were eating pizza.  Now it clicks.

In the same vein, liberals support people who think they are gods, does that make liberals angels?
LMAO. That's funny right there!!! Sad in its truth.....but still funny. ;D
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