Man killed at local shooting range.

[Texas_Bryan]

Agreed Tom.  The thing is, I've realize that everyone is stupid, everyone.  Young people just don't realize that they are stupid yet, I have.  Knowing my stupidity I can take steps to minimize its impact or use it to my advantage.  Sure I still act like a jack ass sometimes, but its with full knowledge that its stupid.  Old timers, and I do mean that in the most respectful way possible , know that they don't know and are willing to use a more advanced level of judgment.  Where as young people just do the first thing that comes to mind and decide that's its right and infallible.

The problem with young people now is that parents don't teach kids that they are stupid, feel free to replace stupid with ignorant.  They just say, 'He has his own special way of doing something.  There are no wrong answers.'  Therefore young folks have decided that, do to this enablement of stupidity, that they are some how right in every action that they take, and never would they take the time to further judge their actions, because it would mean that they could be wrong in their initial decision, there by admitting that the possibility of being wrong exist.  And if their initial decision proves incorrect, they are not wrong, but the enablement allows them to place blame elsewhere.  This is why the current young generations fail so badly and are destroying their culture.

Unfortunately, some adults, old timers, have taken the enablement road in their own lives.  This is where we get hippies, liberals, and socialist.  Even more unfortunately, through stupid people enabling stupid people, some stupid people have decision making powers and can further enable the creation of more stupid people, sustaining the stupid people cycle.  Their decisions are based around their own selfishness and seeking to further the enablement through socialism.  Make no mistake, socialism it the enablement of stupidity.  Using their lack of judgment they continue destroying their culture as well as enabling young people to destroy their own. 

Some people aren't stupid but they know that stupid people are stupid, so they find it easier to control them.  Using this method, they find that its in their interest to create more stupid controllable people in order to gain power over the stupid and non-stupid people alike.

Admit that the possibility of you being wrong exist.  Be wrong if you want, with full knowledge that you are wrong.  You don't seek advise if you don't know that you could be wrong, you don't learn if you think you are infallible.  Stupidity kept the Earth flat and at the center of the universe.  Ignorance is a illness waiting for a cure, but first you have to accept the fact that your sick.  Stupid people live in denial.

Know your stupid, and you will be smarter for it.


Mega thread drift.

[Michael Bane]

I suspect this is going to be a disaster for those of us in Colorado who have fought so long and so hard to retain recreational shooting on public lands. An important footnote that isn't mentioned in these stories is that in effect Colorado never developed a public range system because there's so much public land. The few public ranges have draconian rules — I've been asked to leave for "rapid firing"...double taps — and private ranges with huge waiting lists.

A few years ago a Fish and Game proposal to create a Ben Avery-type range in northern Colorado, mimicking the hugely successful facility north of Phoenix, was harpooned by antigun Forest Service officials.

I think that some of the issues raised by this thread are the unintended consequences of the decreasing number of places to shoot. The demand is growing steadily, various chunks of public lands are set aside for non-gun interests (mountain biking, hiking, equestrian, wilderness), no citations are ever issued for illegal dumping, etc. USFS rangers are specially told not to approach shooters because guns, you know, are dangerous.

You've got a lot of shooters crammed into small spaces; there is none of the interchange between newbies and more experienced shooters that I suspect all of us remember, so the lessons in safety that we all received early on are NOT being passed down. Although USFS provides maps for every other sport — including the adventure sports that result in deaths every year — citing "liability reasons" they refuse to provide maps to shooting areas or to even answer questions about where to shoot, forcing even more people into crowded areas like the Ramparts area.

We all have a responsibility to call safety violations when we see them. I've done it, and yes it is uncomfortable as hell. But if we don't explain to newbies what safety is, who is going to?

Michael B

[Timothy]

We all have a responsibility to call safety violations when we see them. I've done it, and yes it is uncomfortable as hell. But if we don't explain to newbies what safety is, who is going to?

Michael B

I assume everyone I meet at the range knows less about safety than I do and observe for a bit to see who, if anyone, is going to be the problem child.  Sometimes, it's the people I know that are the worst offenders and that will get you a trip home in a hurry.

Another thing that I've done since my military days is assume that EVERYONE I MEET is an idiot until proven otherwise.  I makes for a far less dissapointing process.  Respect is earned, not given.  If someone doesn't like that, they can bite me!

A tradgedy nonetheless, my prayers for this persons family...

[tombogan03884]

I assume everyone I meet at the range knows less about safety than I do and observe for a bit to see who, if anyone, is going to be the problem child.  Sometimes, it's the people I know that are the worst offenders and that will get you a trip home in a hurry.

Another thing that I've done since my military days is assume that EVERYONE I MEET is an idiot until proven otherwise.  I makes for a far less dissapointing process. Respect is earned, not given.  If someone doesn't like that, they can bite me!

A tradgedy nonetheless, my prayers for this persons family...

Thought the vacation would mellow you out, your starting to sound like me 

[Timothy]

Thought the vacation would mellow you out, your starting to sound like me 

I'm mellow as hell Tom, just like you!

What's your point?     

[Sponsor]

[tt11758]

Agreed Tom.  The thing is, I've realize that everyone is stupid, everyone.  Young people just don't realize that they are stupid yet, I have.  Knowing my stupidity I can take steps to minimize its impact or use it to my advantage.  Sure I still act like a jack ass sometimes, but its with full knowledge that its stupid.  Old timers, and I do mean that in the most respectful way possible , know that they don't know and are willing to use a more advanced level of judgment.  Where as young people just do the first thing that comes to mind and decide that's its right and infallible.

The problem with young people now is that parents don't teach kids that they are stupid, feel free to replace stupid with ignorant.  They just say, 'He has his own special way of doing something.  There are no wrong answers.'  Therefore young folks have decided that, do to this enablement of stupidity, that they are some how right in every action that they take, and never would they take the time to further judge their actions, because it would mean that they could be wrong in their initial decision, there by admitting that the possibility of being wrong exist.  And if their initial decision proves incorrect, they are not wrong, but the enablement allows them to place blame elsewhere.  This is why the current young generations fail so badly and are destroying their culture.

Unfortunately, some adults, old timers, have taken the enablement road in their own lives.  This is where we get hippies, liberals, and socialist.  Even more unfortunately, through stupid people enabling stupid people, some stupid people have decision making powers and can further enable the creation of more stupid people, sustaining the stupid people cycle.  Their decisions are based around their own selfishness and seeking to further the enablement through socialism.  Make no mistake, socialism it the enablement of stupidity.  Using their lack of judgment they continue destroying their culture as well as enabling young people to destroy their own. 

Some people aren't stupid but they know that stupid people are stupid, so they find it easier to control them.  Using this method, they find that its in their interest to create more stupid controllable people in order to gain power over the stupid and non-stupid people alike.

Admit that the possibility of you being wrong exist.  Be wrong if you want, with full knowledge that you are wrong.  You don't seek advise if you don't know that you could be wrong, you don't learn if you think you are infallible.  Stupidity kept the Earth flat and at the center of the universe.  Ignorance is a illness waiting for a cure, but first you have to accept the fact that your sick.  Stupid people live in denial.

Know your stupid, and you will be smarter for it.


Mega thread drift.

I think the other part of that is that the young folks still live under the fantasy that they are immortal, and that nothing bad could ever happen to them..........until it does.

[Ichiban]

It looks like it was a tragic accident but it might mean the end of the road for the range.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12871678?source=searchles

http://www.denverpost.com/news/frontpage/ci_12873023

[deamonpi]

That's too bad about the kid.

Though I have a tendency to yell at the others at the unsupervised range I use when others are violating good range etiquette.  I was a little slow on the draw when with Pathfinder, but the last time I went right into it with them, then explained after wards.