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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009, 04:22:42 PM »
Why Tom, you sound like southerner in 1861, who told the North and Politicians up there to "get stuffed" when it involved the Feds interfering and trampling states rights.

Very similar tones for the Irish in 1921, but that violence and bloodshed lasted until recent years.

I take back all the times I called you a Yankee.. ;)



Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 04:31:26 PM »
Why Tom, you sound like southerner in 1861, who told the North and Politicians up there to "get stuffed" when it involved the Feds interfering and trampling states rights.

Very similar tones for the Irish in 1921, but that violence and bloodshed lasted until recent years.

I take back all the times I called you a Yankee.. ;)





The First one started up here remember.  ;D

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 05:22:19 PM »
The First one started up here remember.  ;D


That is absolutely a BULLSEYE!
Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 05:34:13 PM »
Most "Nawtheners" don't mind a bit being called "Yankee"!

Unless your referring to the team of the same name in the city that never sleeps, cleans up after itself, bursting at the seems with illegals and shitheaps of human asshattery and steals all or most of it's fresh water from the rest of the hardworking Americans residing there.

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 05:53:05 PM »
An Open Letter To All Montana Federal Firearms Licenses
U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Assistant Director

Montana - -(AmmoLand.com)- The purpose of this letter is to provide guidance on your obligations as a Federal firearms licensee (FFL). The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is dedicated to your success in meeting requirements as a Federal Firearms licensee.
The passage of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act, House Bill 246 (Act), effective, October 1, 2009, has generated questions from industry members as to how this State law may affect them while engaged in firearms business activity. The Act purports to exempt personal firearms, firearms accessories and ammunition manufactured in the State, from most Federal Firearms laws and regulations. However, because the Act conflicts with Federal firearms laws and regulations, Federal law supercedes the Act, and all provisions of the Gun Control Act and the National Firearms Act, and their corresponding regulations, continue to apply.

As you may know, Federal law requires a license to engage in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition, or to deal in firearms, even if the firearms or ammunition remain in the state. All firearms manufactured by a licensee must be properly marked. Additionally, each licensee must record the type, model, caliber or gauge and serial number of each firearm manufactured or otherwise, and the date such manufacture or other acquistion was made. Firearms transaction records and NICS background checks must be conducted prior to disposition of firearms to unlicensed persons. These, as well as other Federal requirements and prohibitions, apply whether or not the firearms or ammunitions have crossed state lines.

If you have any questions regarding the Federal firearms laws and regulations, please contact your local ATF office. ATF works closely with the firearms industry and appreciates the important role the industry plays in combating violent crime. A listing of phone numbers can be found at : http://www.atf.gov/contact/field.htm

It is signed by Carson W. Carroll Assistant Director (Enforcement Programs and Services)

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/071709-montana-openletter.pdf

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2009, 06:27:23 PM »
The whole point of the law is that you don't need an FFL, so this will be tested by some brave soul, probably without an FFL, who makes a gun in MT, then sells it to another resident of MT.
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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 10:59:33 PM »
Most "Nawtheners" don't mind a bit being called "Yankee"!

Unless your referring to the team of the same name in the city that never sleeps, cleans up after itself, bursting at the seems with illegals and shitheaps of human asshattery and steals all or most of it's fresh water from the rest of the hardworking Americans residing there.

Them Yankees can go to hell. I don't care if the Red Sox finish in next to last place, just as long as they are ahead of them Damn Yankees.
Other wise, No, REAL Yankees don't mind it any more than Southerners mind "Redneck".
There don't seem to be many of us Natives left though, we're over run with Masshole liberals and New Yorkers.
Before the Revolution NH was pretty much at war with NY over "the Grants" ( Vermont now) Might happen again.

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2009, 04:04:41 PM »
I always liked that one - well spoken by whomever said it first!!!!!

Hopefully this is the start of a states rights versus federal rights movement - sadly overdue. Unfortunately I am in Florida & here there is no such luck. We have a governor that begs for BHo's 'stimulus' (but not as bad as CA!!), but is quitting to run for Senate (I'll make sure he looses or try my best!) - another RINO for sure. We do have fairly liberal gun laws though thanks to Jeb Bush et al. Maybe the tide is starting to turn?
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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2009, 04:47:33 PM »
I am glad to see it done, and I admire the courage that Montana has shown by "standing up" to the Feds. I just hope they have the fortitude and a really good plan to see this through, or the feds will once again push an individual, group, or state around that disagrees with the feds "proclamation".

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Re: ATF to Montana 'Federal law supercedes state law'
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2009, 10:22:14 PM »
I am glad to see it done, and I admire the courage that Montana has shown by "standing up" to the Feds. I just hope they have the fortitude and a really good plan to see this through, or the feds will once again push an individual, group, or state around that disagrees with the feds "proclamation".

Could be...another Ruby Ridge or Waco.  You know, the fact the marshalls shot the guy's dogs bothered me but I can deal with that...the fact that the marshalls killed the dogs and didn't announce who they were and pointed the guns as Weaver's son and friend...it bothered me bad...I can dismiss the fact that the kid and/or friend raised their weapons at the marshalls because the marshalls jumped from behind cover, blew the dogs away and ponted their guns at the kid and friend without identification, but the fact that Weaver's young son had his arm shot off, hanging/dangling by some meat, running home screaming for his Daddy and was shot in the back to finish him off...it's the kind of thing dissenters will have to realize they may well be facing to go against their public servants.
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