New York Times has a hissy over national concealed carry bill

[ericire12]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/opinion/21tue2.html?_r=1

Gun Crazy in the Senate


On Wednesday, the Senate is expected to vote on the latest assault on public safety in the name of gun ownership. Introduced as an amendment to the military’s budget bill by Senator John Thune, a Republican of South Dakota, this radical measure would nullify the laws of almost every state, subjecting police officers to greater risk and increasing the potential for gun violence.

Nearly all states issue licenses to carry concealed firearms, but the criteria for granting such permits vary widely, and it is now, sensibly, up to each state to decide whether to accept another state’s permits.

At least 35 states prevent people from carrying concealed weapons if they have certain misdemeanor convictions. At least 31 states prohibit alcohol abusers from obtaining a concealed carry permit and require gun safety training. The Thune amendment would force states with more restrictive standards to accept concealed carry permits from states with less stringent rules — in effect giving the lax rules national reach.

Passage of the amendment would make it much harder for law enforcement to distinguish between legal and illegal possession of a firearm. It would be a boon for illegal gun traffickers, making it easier to transport weapons across state lines without being caught.

Proponents of Senator Thune’s attempt to create the equivalent of a national concealed carry system claim it would reduce crime. But the evidence shows otherwise. Between May 2007 and April 2009, people holding concealed handgun permits killed at least seven police officers and 44 private citizens, according to a new study by the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy organization. Other examples of crimes committed by concealed-carry licensees are plentiful.

For Alaska to permit residents who have committed repeated violent misdemeanors or who have committed misdemeanor sex offenses against minors to carry a concealed weapon is terrible public policy. For the Senate to extend that permit to 47 other states would be the height of irresponsibility, as well as a breathtaking violation of legitimate states’ rights.

Senators Charles Schumer of New York and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, both Democrats, are leading the fight in the Senate to defeat the Thune amendment. We fervently hope they succeed.

[JC5123]

"We fervently hope they succeed."  From Article.


Nooooo, the NYT doesn't have an agenda. It's no wonder nobody reads this rag anymore. So after we throw all the bums out of congress, are we going after the news agencies next? After all, if what the asshats in Washington were doing was ever accurately reported on, they probably wouldn't get away with as much.

There was a time when journalists actually reported the news. No spin, no opinions. Just the facts. Now journalists are becoming just another hated elitist group. Right up there with lawyers and politicians. It's little wonder why people are so ignorant to what's going on in the world around them. No one is reporting the facts anymore. It's all become "the facts according to me".

[shooter32]

"We fervently hope they succeed."  From Article.


Nooooo, the NYT doesn't have an agenda. It's no wonder nobody reads this rag anymore. So after we throw all the bums out of congress, are we going after the news agencies next? After all, if what the asshats in Washington were doing was ever accurately reported on, they probably wouldn't get away with as much.

There was a time when journalists actually reported the news. No spin, no opinions. Just the facts. Now journalists are becoming just another hated elitist group. Right up there with lawyers and politicians. It's little wonder why people are so ignorant to what's going on in the world around them. No one is reporting the facts anymore. It's all become "the facts according to me".

comment of the day!!!

[tombogan03884]

"We fervently hope they succeed."  From Article.


Nooooo, the NYT doesn't have an agenda. It's no wonder nobody reads this rag anymore. So after we throw all the bums out of congress, are we going after the news agencies next? After all, if what the asshats in Washington were doing was ever accurately reported on, they probably wouldn't get away with as much.

There was a time when journalists actually reported the news. No spin, no opinions. Just the facts. Now journalists are becoming just another hated elitist group. Right up there with lawyers and politicians. It's little wonder why people are so ignorant to what's going on in the world around them. No one is reporting the facts anymore. It's all become "the facts according to me".

Not at the Times there wasn't. They have been firm supporters of Communism and Socialism since at least the 30's.
http://www.pjtv.com/video/Roger_L_Simon%3A_Talking_Through_My_Hat/Burning_Down_The_New_York_Times_in_Three_Acts__Act_I%3A_All_The_News_That%27s_%22Fit%22/1977/

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Roger_L_Simon%3A_Talking_Through_My_Hat/Burning_Down_the_New_York_Times__Act_2%3A_Walter_Duranty_Meets_the_Holocaust/2036/

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Roger_L_Simon%3A_Talking_Through_My_Hat/_Burning_Down_the_New_York_Times%2C_Act_III%3A__The_Times_Sees_a_Shrink__But_It_Doesn%27t_Help/2174/

[Kid Shelleen]

It is no wonder that the NY Times is going broke. It could not happen to a more deserving organization. You would think that they would get the message as their subscribers are leaving in record numbers, both locally and nationally. DUH!!!

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

 Their motto should be, "All the  propaganda news we can make up"

[tt11758]

I guess I wouldn't even mind the position so much if it weren't backed up with outright lies.  The proposed legislation, while mandating reciprocity, specifically states that the reciprocity only goes so far as the laws of the state in which one is carrying as a guest.  As an example, if you're traveling to a state that does not allow people with minor drug offenses to obtain CCW, your CCW would likewise NOT be honored.  Why is this a problem?

Argue against this common sense law if you must, but at least do so in an honest manner. 

That being said, it's time that these asshats, and all the other anti-gun asshats, got called to account for the lies and half-truths that they are spouting.  And it needs to be done in no uncertain terms.  For far too long the pro-2A crowd has tried to avoid rocking the boat.  Tried to get along by winning over hearts and minds, while the anti's use our politeness against us, KNOWING that we won't go midieval on their asses when they spew their bullshit.  The time has come to open up a can of whoop ass on these shitwipes, and STOP being doormats!!

Ok, now I'm officially pissed.

[twyacht]

Why Wyatt,...what ever did you mean???

[runstowin]

I thank the New York Times in advance for going out of business. Don't let the door slap you on the butt as you leave the world stage.