Your secret hidden bunker

[Badgersmilk]

I've run through the "doomsday scenario thing" in my head a few times myself and have questions...  

You buy a shelter.  Be it a standard cabin out in the woods with solar panels / wind mill, or underground steel and concrete re-enforced armored bunker, do you have so much as even a two track road leading to it?  Yes? Then people will find it!  You will be killed by looters.

I know, I know, everybody's thinking.  "NOT ME!  I'VE GOT GUNS AND AMMO FALLING OUT MY REAR!"  Won't matter.  If you ever leave that shelter you will be killed.

Gotta dump your waste?  Gotta hunt food, fish, or tend crops?  Gotta check on why your power source isnt working (solar panels, windmill, whatever.  Yes, I shot it)?  How long can you hold out without opening the hatch?  Open the hatch = you will be killed.

Everybody take a deep breath and cool off.  I've proposed this scenario to MANY, MANY people, and have only gotten a legit solution once, after hours of discussion, but lets run through some idea's we can all learn from.  People get hot QUICK when you shoot down their "fool proof plans", so everybody please dont get bent out of shape, lets just learn.

NOW.  Lets suppose I can aford a very fine high powered rifle.  But NOT a very fine shelter or supplies.  Quite a differance in cost here!  I like any person want to survive, so what do I do when things are very bad looking for me?

While specific location makes NO differance, lets say I drive up north (I lived in MI for 14 years and just moved 2 weeks ago, so I know the U.P., & Northern lower peninsula well!), I look for remote, long two track roads and drive down them for a quick investigation much like MANY, MANY others looking for food / help will.  I find at the end of this road a cabin, shelter, man hole and vents for an underground shelter, whatever the situation may be, and drive away.  Park my car blocking the road (dont really care what happens to it at this point), put on my ghilli suit, camo up, and stalk my way back to a good shooting position as far away from my target (your door, manhole, access point) as I can position myself with a clear shot with my sniper rifle.  I have enough supplies to last a week or two, and simply wait you out...  Up pops a head, and boom.  I wait two more days before aproaching my new found treasure.  If others should pop up.  Same result.  Your family WILL burst out of the shelter into open fire having seen you shot down.  Its called panic.  But again, I wait two days to be sure.  

I stock up on your goodies and leave.  Walk a FEW miles, and find my next target.  

I know its ugly.  But you REALLY believe MANY people wont be doing this!?!?!?!  What's to stop me from years of this living this way???  There ARE answers.

[long762range]

Go for the ECA 70-132.  Plenty of room for an indoor rifle range.





 

[Badgersmilk]

A few other things to consider with the scenario above.  What if I've brought friends?  And you DONT want to blockade your road!  That would be the equivelent to putting up a sign that said.  "LOTS OF FOOD AND GOODIES HERE!" 

[blackwolfe]

When I started this thread I used the term "bunker" lightly as I was thinking more along the terms of where you would like to live, what type of home, and surroundings.  I like the idea of a well built home, not neccessilary hardened for a zombie attack, and the idea of as much self suficiency as practical or possible.  I do and have had relatives that have farmed in NW Kansas and NE Colorado.  When the family farmstead was started in the early 1900's it was pretty much self sufficent.  Windmill for water pumping and the early wind generators for power.  Not sure what they used for heat, but now it is propane.  The country side was not wired for quite sometime.  At times they are still pretty much on their own as far as power goes as both blizzards and thunderstorms with or without tornados can leave them on their own for extended periods.  If a SHTF event does happen none of us may be safe, but I figure the further you are away from population centers and the more you can rely on yourself the better.

After saying all this I still want a place where I can pee off the front porch, shoot off the back porch and not be bothered with neighbors getting bent out of shape when I do it.  I'll let the dog feret out and alert me to the sniper in the ghili suit.

[tombogan03884]

I've run through the "doomsday scenario thing" in my head a few times myself and have questions...  

You buy a shelter.  Be it a standard cabin out in the woods with solar panels / wind mill, or underground steel and concrete re-enforced armored bunker, do you have so much as even a two track road leading to it?  Yes? Then people will find it!  You will be killed by looters.

I know, I know, everybody's thinking.  "NOT ME!  I'VE GOT GUNS AND AMMO FALLING OUT MY REAR!"  Won't matter.  If you ever leave that shelter you will be killed.

Gotta dump your waste?  Gotta hunt food, fish, or tend crops?  Gotta check on why your power source isnt working (solar panels, windmill, whatever.  Yes, I shot it)?  How long can you hold out without opening the hatch?  Open the hatch = you will be killed.

Everybody take a deep breath and cool off.  I've proposed this scenario to MANY, MANY people, and have only gotten a legit solution once, after hours of discussion, but lets run through some idea's we can all learn from.  People get hot QUICK when you shoot down their "fool proof plans", so everybody please dont get bent out of shape, lets just learn.

NOW.  Lets suppose I can aford a very fine high powered rifle.  But NOT a very fine shelter or supplies.  Quite a differance in cost here!  I like any person want to survive, so what do I do when things are very bad looking for me?

While specific location makes NO differance, lets say I drive up north (I lived in MI for 14 years and just moved 2 weeks ago, so I know the U.P., & Northern lower peninsula well!), I look for remote, long two track roads and drive down them for a quick investigation much like MANY, MANY others looking for food / help will.  I find at the end of this road a cabin, shelter, man hole and vents for an underground shelter, whatever the situation may be, and drive away.  Park my car blocking the road (dont really care what happens to it at this point), put on my ghilli suit, camo up, and stalk my way back to a good shooting position as far away from my target (your door, manhole, access point) as I can position myself with a clear shot with my sniper rifle.  I have enough supplies to last a week or two, and simply wait you out...  Up pops a head, and boom.  I wait two more days before aproaching my new found treasure.  If others should pop up.  Same result.  Your family WILL burst out of the shelter into open fire having seen you shot down.  Its called panic.  But again, I wait two days to be sure.  

I stock up on your goodies and leave.  Walk a FEW miles, and find my next target.  

I know its ugly.  But you REALLY believe MANY people wont be doing this!?!?!?!  What's to stop me from years of this living this way???  There ARE answers.

Yup, them damn looters have nothing better to do than wait around without supplies in the middle of no where while the folks in the cities swipe all the good shit, just to rob one isolated armed guy. It amazes me none of us were smart enough to catch that, You Da man BM.
However, I happened to notice  that those shelters can accommodate up to 120 people. Hmmmm        (_?_)

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[deepwater]

my mother just put her house up for sale in Nova Scotia. (that's Canada, eh) for a reasonable price. can't see any neighbors, has a basement, barnhouse garage with furnished loft, (for the in-laws) on a beautiful lake. and the best part? they don't speak french there! plenty of wildlife too. the down side? socialized medicine and it isn't USA. they left because of the medicine, my stepfather is in his eighties and getting frail. had to travel to Maine to get any medical care that's worth a damn. so now they live in New Mex.
I think the place would be perfect if I had the money for it. oh well.

[saltydogbk]

The Canuks are very anti gun.  Limits amount of ammo you can have.  While it is very pretty, not worth the hassle.  The strippers are great though.

[Rastus]

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I know its ugly.  But you REALLY believe MANY people wont be doing this!?!?!?!  What's to stop me from years of this living this way???  There ARE answers.

Not a lot of people will find it.  Most people will starve before then...average food on the shelf is two weeks or less.  The cities start to empty to the country...no or little food, malnourished and dying...I don't think they will get as far and in as good health as you give them credit for.  Many/most would have died from drinking the bad water...if it's this bad...there won't be water or sanitation sources.  The starving city dwellers will easily outnumber and zero out a few Mad Max's among them that look healthy and have food...it won't be like Hollywood.  People outside the suburbs with food and supplies will be healthy and in good shape relative to the zombies out looking for a snack moving from home to home...that's gonna be high risk for them...their mortality rate will be very high, not more than a few will make it past 3 or 4 homes in the county and huge overwhelming coherent numbers of zombies will not exist as Hollywood sometimes portrays.

I won't be worried about them walking up to the house...they have to get there first and I don't have to be there to stop them.   All hail the mighty Mad Max...up to the point where that mindless, emotionless, snare zeroes out his butt.  They'll have to shoot the dogs if they get closer than that....

You don't really think the people in the country are going to be stupid enough to let you drive right up and take their goodies,eh?  Won't be long the bridges and choke points will be blocked.....dream on with waltzing through the outdoor goodie store and taking what you want.  Those that have will protect it and they won't be waiting at home with a big stupid smile painted on their faces waiting for someone big and strong and smart like you to kick their door down and snipe them in their fields.  You won't make it past the first roadblock with that attitude, like your plans and person are going to be invisible for you to set up the perfect scenario....

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SaltyDog said

The strippers are great though.

I will always have a soft spot in my heart and a empty wallet for Windsor! 

[JC5123]

I've run through the "doomsday scenario thing" in my head a few times myself and have questions...   

You buy a shelter.  Be it a standard cabin out in the woods with solar panels / wind mill, or underground steel and concrete re-enforced armored bunker, do you have so much as even a two track road leading to it?  Yes? Then people will find it!  You will be killed by looters.

I know, I know, everybody's thinking.  "NOT ME!  I'VE GOT GUNS AND AMMO FALLING OUT MY REAR!"  Won't matter.  If you ever leave that shelter you will be killed.

Gotta dump your waste?  Gotta hunt food, fish, or tend crops?  Gotta check on why your power source isnt working (solar panels, windmill, whatever.  Yes, I shot it)?  How long can you hold out without opening the hatch?  Open the hatch = you will be killed.

Everybody take a deep breath and cool off.  I've proposed this scenario to MANY, MANY people, and have only gotten a legit solution once, after hours of discussion, but lets run through some idea's we can all learn from.  People get hot QUICK when you shoot down their "fool proof plans", so everybody please dont get bent out of shape, lets just learn.

NOW.  Lets suppose I can aford a very fine high powered rifle.  But NOT a very fine shelter or supplies.  Quite a differance in cost here!  I like any person want to survive, so what do I do when things are very bad looking for me?

While specific location makes NO differance, lets say I drive up north (I lived in MI for 14 years and just moved 2 weeks ago, so I know the U.P., & Northern lower peninsula well!), I look for remote, long two track roads and drive down them for a quick investigation much like MANY, MANY others looking for food / help will.  I find at the end of this road a cabin, shelter, man hole and vents for an underground shelter, whatever the situation may be, and drive away.  Park my car blocking the road (dont really care what happens to it at this point), put on my ghilli suit, camo up, and stalk my way back to a good shooting position as far away from my target (your door, manhole, access point) as I can position myself with a clear shot with my sniper rifle.  I have enough supplies to last a week or two, and simply wait you out...  Up pops a head, and boom.  I wait two more days before aproaching my new found treasure.  If others should pop up.  Same result.  Your family WILL burst out of the shelter into open fire having seen you shot down.  Its called panic.  But again, I wait two days to be sure. 

I stock up on your goodies and leave.  Walk a FEW miles, and find my next target. 

I know its ugly.  But you REALLY believe MANY people wont be doing this!?!?!?!  What's to stop me from years of this living this way???  There ARE answers.

You are forgetting one of the basics of survival in a post SHTF scenario. Do you really think that I would be stupid enough to just jump into a bunker/cabin/hole in the ground, by myself with no way of being aware of my surroundings? You don't go into the sticks alone. You post security. 24/7 And when you see some badger in a ghillie suit, you knee cap him and siphon his gas tank.
That ought to run the generator for another couple of days.