Your secret hidden bunker

[Kid Shelleen]

My personal purposes for a shelter and for living off of the energy grid are different that the scenarios that Badger lists. I am not trying to prepare for Armageddon.

I like the independence and self reliance of living off the grid. I will enjoy the fresh fruit and vegetables that we grow (we will also have a small greenhouse). I prefer the idea of having a shelter for storm protection. The shelter may come in handy in a SHTF scenario, but I continue to believe, hope and pray that the use, for that type of situation, would never become necessary.

As demonstrated in this years Best Defense Survival, a little preparation can go a long way.

[Pathfinder]

Yup, them damn looters have nothing better to do than wait around without supplies in the middle of no where while the folks in the cities swipe all the good shit, just to rob one isolated armed guy. It amazes me none of us were smart enough to catch that, You Da man BM.
However, I happened to notice  that those shelters can accommodate up to 120 people. Hmmmm        (_?_)

Think continuum - day 1, day 2....day 30....day 90... and so on. Stores will be looted and then what? Then the crowds go around city/town looking for easy targets. Then what? A smart, enterprising BG figures out that peiople have fled the city and pickings are getting harder, so they head out of town. Then what? and so on...

That is why you need to be self-sufficient with food and out of sight as much as possible.

my mother just put her house up for sale in Nova Scotia. (that's Canada, eh) for a reasonable price. can't see any neighbors, has a basement, barnhouse garage with furnished loft, (for the in-laws) on a beautiful lake. and the best part? they don't speak french there! plenty of wildlife too. the down side? socialized medicine and it isn't USA. they left because of the medicine, my stepfather is in his eighties and getting frail. had to travel to Maine to get any medical care that's worth a damn. so now they live in New Mex.
I think the place would be perfect if I had the money for it. oh well.

Man, I love NS, have visited there from Portsmouth to Cape Breton. Fantastic music, nice people, but alas in Canada. And watch out for the Nor'easters.

Sounds like a nice place though, but getting there in a SHTF scenario would be a bitch. The 9-hour ferries probably won't be running and the drive is looooooong.

Me, I am looking more for a place to retire to (warm is good, hot is not, and humid is not desirable) and grow food. Money will be tight, but in the right place I can survive.

[tombogan03884]

my mother just put her house up for sale in Nova Scotia. (that's Canada, eh) for a reasonable price. can't see any neighbors, has a basement, barnhouse garage with furnished loft, (for the in-laws) on a beautiful lake. and the best part? they don't speak french there! plenty of wildlife too. the down side? socialized medicine and it isn't USA. they left because of the medicine, my stepfather is in his eighties and getting frail. had to travel to Maine to get any medical care that's worth a damn. so now they live in New Mex.
I think the place would be perfect if I had the money for it. oh well.

My Great Grandfather grew up in Beaver Harbor New Brunswick. If it wasn't for their anti gun laws I would have been back there decades ago, Fresh water lake and fields on one side ocean on the other.
Take the motor out of the tractor to run the Fishing boat, Woods right down to the ocean in many places and virgin beach combing. 

[JC5123]

My wife and I are looking at some land about 20 min outside of town. 8-10 acres. Trees and river access. Pretty flat land, but we are hoping to find a spot that butts up against the mountain. Actually most of you have probably seen this area. If any of you have seen the John Wayne classic Hellfighters. They used this area as the stand in for Argentina? I believe. Actually very good farming area, and well protected from the weather. Far enough away from town to be fairly isolated. (shoot of back porch, pee off front) But close enough to be convenient.

I'm not so much concerned with isolation, as much as self sufficiency. Like most of you have touched on, after 2-3 months, the cities will be deserted. The only ones able to sustain any kind of life, will be those who can grow and shoot there own food, procure water, and shelter themselves without assistance.

[Walkeraviator]

I stand by my Texas decision...  if funds were of no concern...you know like i won the powerball tonight...i would by this piece of property

http://www.landsoftexas.com/texas/index.cfm?Detail=&INV_ID=232268

[Sponsor]

[fightingquaker13]

I stand by my Texas decision...  if funds were of no concern...you know like i won the powerball tonight...i would by this piece of property

http://www.landsoftexas.com/texas/index.cfm?Detail=&INV_ID=232268

Not if I get there first! That, in the hill country, is about as close to heaven as I am likely to get. 
FQ13 who will buy a powerball tonight

[Kid Shelleen]

I stand by my Texas decision...  if funds were of no concern...you know like i won the powerball tonight...i would by this piece of property

http://www.landsoftexas.com/texas/index.cfm?Detail=&INV_ID=232268

Pretty sweet patch of ground.

My wife's family has a 1200 acre ranch close to Fredericksburg. It is between Mason and Fredericksburg and it also has a river on their property. They have cattle and a healthy, managed, deer population as well as lots of turkey and other wildlife. I love the ranch and the Hill Country, but my wife says no way. She feels that it is way too dry most of the time.

Bummer, but as they say: "If momma ain't happy, no one is happy."

[Badgersmilk]

Nobody here's able to defend themselves against such a person?  These people will be out there.  I'm not talking about inner city dwellers, that will be condemed to death by gangs and rioting.  I'm talking about suburbanites who were prepared for a month or two.  Or the people already living in rural places who after a few weeks are running low on supplies.  These people will be the ones making attacks on remote cabins.  Along with some of the city gang idiots that make it that far / long.  But, the gang idiots WILL be easy kills for a well guarded cabin.

I have to say.  I'm as shocked as I am disapointed nobody here is able to defend against such an attack.  

[Ping]

Where is Green Mountain Gringo and Hawkfish?

[JC5123]

Nobody here's able to defend themselves against such a person?  These people will be out there.  I'm not talking about inner city dwellers, that will be condemed to death by gangs and rioting.  I'm talking about suburbanites who were prepared for a month or two.  Or the people already living in rural places who after a few weeks are running low on supplies.  These people will be the ones making attacks on remote cabins.  Along with some of the city gang idiots that make it that far / long.  But, the gang idiots WILL be easy kills for a well guarded cabin.

I have to say.  I'm as shocked as I am disapointed nobody here is able to defend against such an attack.  

I hate to poke ANOTHER hole in your theory here, but you keep assuming that no one here would have the presence of mind to post security. Your plan only works under the assumption that you are a very small group, huddled in a bunker, with no security, and no situational awareness. Ad to that the fact that your "sniper" has to be able to make the stalk undetected, and make the shot. Anyone who puts a reasonable amount of thought into a retreat like that is going to have some sort of perimeter security, and will probably have many family/friends that reside there too. That's a lot of eyes to escape. Besides that, do you really think that you won't be detected when you just drive right up to the cabin?