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[Kid Shelleen]

Where is Green Mountain Gringo and Hawkfish?

Gringo was on the forum on 07/26/09.

Hawkfish has been MIA since 04/29/09.

[tombogan03884]

 Badgersmilk appears to be a fixated idiot.
For starters we are not talking about a "Retreat" that you visit on vacation and only move to in the event of a disaster, We are discussing SELF SUFFICIENT HOMES. The older people here who listened to the stories their parents and Grandparents told know that during the Great Depression the only rural people who suffered more than a lack of cash money were the ones wiped out by the "Dust bowl" which was a coincidentally timed but unrelated event, not likely to be repeated. Otherwise people in the country ate well, and got by on barter.
Another thing he overlooks, is that it is only "city people" who don't know the folks around them. As an example: I live in a 6 unit Apt. building, of the 10 people there I only know 2 of them by name and only talk to ANY of them if we meet in the door or hallway. I don't work with them, I don't meet any of them when going about my business, and we don't meet up at local events like the fireworks or parades. When I used to live in Maine however I was acquainted with every one for a couple of miles around because the smaller population led to more interaction, because there were fewer places to go there fore more likely hood of meeting the same people, limited job market and entertainment possibilities increased the likely hood that you had worked with a particular person or met them at the store or restaurant. The more widely spread the population the greater the likely hood they will band together for mutual benefit
Next, "putting up a gate says food and stuff here" That statement tells me you don't have much imagination. Or possibly you have never heard the term "preparing the battlespace" there are many ways that terrain and other natural features can be used to channelize traffic for control purposes. Think you're going to just "barrel up my driveway ? Easily home made spike strip will slow you down and the Maple and Walnut trees and drainage ditches will keep you from going around..them.
Personally I've put a lot of thought into "Dual use" landscaping.Since I'm not much interested in raising animals I see no need for Barbed wire, It's way to much work putting it up and it won't keep out what I want kept out. Blackberries, or  Beach Roses are far more effective, less work, and a source of food and booze.
The absolute most important considerations for a home are sufficient fuel ( Cooking, heating,light, and transportation) water supplies, and adequate sanitation facilities.

[fightingquaker13]

Badgersmilk appears to be a fixated idiot.
For starters we are not talking about a "Retreat" that you visit on vacation and only move to in the event of a disaster, We are discussing SELF SUFFICIENT HOMES. The older people here who listened to the stories their parents and Grandparents told know that during the Great Depression the only rural people who suffered more than a lack of cash money were the ones wiped out by the "Dust bowl" which was a coincidentally timed but unrelated event, not likely to be repeated. Otherwise people in the country ate well, and got by on barter.
Another thing he overlooks, is that it is only "city people" who don't know the folks around them. As an example: I live in a 6 unit Apt. building, of the 10 people there I only know 2 of them by name and only talk to ANY of them if we meet in the door or hallway. I don't work with them, I don't meet any of them when going about my business, and we don't meet up at local events like the fireworks or parades. When I used to live in Maine however I was acquainted with every one for a couple of miles around because the smaller population led to more interaction, because there were fewer places to go there fore more likely hood of meeting the same people, limited job market and entertainment possibilities increased the likely hood that you had worked with a particular person or met them at the store or restaurant. The more widely spread the population the greater the likely hood they will band together for mutual benefit
Next, "putting up a gate says food and stuff here" That statement tells me you don't have much imagination. Or possibly you have never heard the term "preparing the battlespace" there are many ways that terrain and other natural features can be used to channelize traffic for control purposes. Think you're going to just "barrel up my driveway ? Easily home made spike strip will slow you down and the Maple and Walnut trees and drainage ditches will keep you from going around..them.
Personally I've put a lot of thought into "Dual use" landscaping.Since I'm not much interested in raising animals I see no need for Barbed wire, It's way to much work putting it up and it won't keep out what I want kept out. Blackberries, or  Beach Roses are far more effective, less work, and a source of food and booze.
The absolute most important considerations for a home are sufficient fuel ( Cooking, heating,light, and transportation) water supplies, and adequate sanitation facilities.

I hate to say this butTom is both one hundred percent right and as sad as I am. Th thing is, I live in a gated community (even though its nothing but but basic 3 bedroom suburban houses), with a home owner association. They are a bunch of Yankee busy bodies who want $1k per year to pay the bush trimming Guatemalans and pay Barney Fife at the gate. (Sorry, but I don't want the gate and am willing, and would prefer, to mow my own damn grass, but such is life in Fl.). The thing is that the very architecture works against knowing your neighbors. Every house (and they are built alike in a very Stepford way) has a protruding garage and no front porch. You come home, drive your car in and don't see your front yard. The back yards have tastefuly painted 6 foot walls between them. Good for privacy, but you can't tallk to your neighbor over the fence. The point is, its easy to not even know your next door neighbors name unless you put some effort into it. This makes it very hard to arrange for something like community protection (here I'm talking hurricane not zombie attack). It rally is kind of sad that we design our communities this way. Compare and cotrast to the old southern homes( middle class stuff, not mansions) where the front porch was the second living room. See how much closer neighbors were.
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[PegLeg45]

I hate to say this butTom is both one hundred percent right and as sad as I am. Th thing is, I live in a gated community (even though its nothing but but basic 3 bedroom suburban houses), with a home owner association. They are a bunch of Yankee busy bodies who want $1k per year to pay the bush trimming Guatemalans and pay Barney Fife at the gate. (Sorry, but I don't want the gate and am willing, and would prefer, to mow my own damn grass, but such is life in Fl.). The thing is that the very architecture works against knowing your neighbors. Every house (and they are built alike in a very Stepford way) has a protruding garage and no front porch. You come home, drive your car in and don't see your front yard. The back yards have tastefuly painted 6 foot walls between them. Good for privacy, but you can't tallk to your neighbor over the fence. The point is, its easy to not even know your next door neighbors name unless you put some effort into it. This makes it very hard to arrange for something like community protection (here I'm talking hurricane not zombie attack). It rally is kind of sad that we design our communities this way. Compare and cotrast to the old southern homes( middle class stuff, not mansions) where the front porch was the second living room. See how much closer neighbors were.
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I guess I'm lucky in one respect.......we know and like all our neighbors (closest are 1/4 mile away) and in our neck of the woods many neighbors, in the old southern tradition, still "visit" one another regularly to see how things are going..... or at least call.

[tombogan03884]

I hate to say this butTom is both one hundred percent right and as sad as I am. Th thing is, I live in a gated community (even though its nothing but but basic 3 bedroom suburban houses), with a home owner association. They are a bunch of Yankee busy bodies who want $1k per year to pay the bush trimming Guatemalans and pay Barney Fife at the gate. (Sorry, but I don't want the gate and am willing, and would prefer, to mow my own damn grass, but such is life in Fl.). The thing is that the very architecture works against knowing your neighbors. Every house (and they are built alike in a very Stepford way) has a protruding garage and no front porch. You come home, drive your car in and don't see your front yard. The back yards have tastefuly painted 6 foot walls between them. Good for privacy, but you can't tallk to your neighbor over the fence. The point is, its easy to not even know your next door neighbors name unless you put some effort into it. This makes it very hard to arrange for something like community protection (here I'm talking hurricane not zombie attack). It rally is kind of sad that we design our communities this way. Compare and cotrast to the old southern homes( middle class stuff, not mansions) where the front porch was the second living room. See how much closer neighbors were.
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Now that didn't hurt, did it ?   

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[Pathfinder]

Barb wire is effective against the 2-legged critters if it is coiled rather than strung taut for 4-legged critters. At least it will tie them up or direct them where you want them - like in full view of the neighbor's 60" flat panel TV!  Hopefully the BGs will have a short attention span.

[tombogan03884]

Barb wire is effective against the 2-legged critters if it is coiled rather than strung taut for 4-legged critters. At least it will tie them up or direct them where you want them - like in full view of the neighbor's 60" flat panel TV!  Hopefully the BGs will have a short attention span.

Whoopie, you still can not make wine from it 

[fightingquaker13]

Whoopie, you still can not make wine from it 

Wine no. A bong on the other hand....., wait we already did this thread.
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[tombogan03884]

Wine no. A bong on the other hand....., wait we already did this thread.
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In the event of TEOTWAWKI hemp is a VERY sensible crop, buds (laws against pot being null and void ) would serve as a "cash crop"(as it already is in Ca. ) or trade goods, or a tobacco replacement, the seeds can be pressed for the oil content or used in animal feed, and the stems and roots can be broken down like flax for paper, clothe and rope.

[fightingquaker13]

In the event of TEOTWAWKI hemp is a VERY sensible crop, buds (laws against pot being null and void ) would serve as a "cash crop"(as it already is in Ca. ) or trade goods, or a tobacco replacement, the seeds can be pressed for the oil content or used in animal feed, and the stems and roots can be broken down like flax for paper, clothe and rope.

Rope. What is it with you and rope?
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