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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 01:37:24 PM »
Yea, this will last about as long until some innocent bystander or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6, well you get my point, gets a cops bullet in them.

I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 02:01:00 PM »
I wonder how many cops would actually take a shot a fleeing car. As demonized as the police are, and especially in a place like Chicago (race politics) How may cops in their right mind are gonna want to risk THAT trial? Hell the way things are going Al Sharpton would be the judge. Firs witness would be BHO to say he told the cop it was stupid to shoot at a bad guy.

Of course after the cop has been murdered in prison we would learn that BHO was apologizing to Germany for WWII during the incident... ::)
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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 02:24:49 PM »
The Chicago Police Department has very well trained officers. I think that it is unfair to criticize them for the poor choices made by Illinois Government. CPD is professional enough to avoid mistakes, though they can and will happen. To ridicule them is a complete waste of time. We all just have to pray and vote that when elections roll around again that the anti 2A politicians are voted out and some new blood with common sense will be voted in. Just my two bits.

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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 02:30:24 PM »
The Chicago Police Department has very well trained officers. I think that it is unfair to criticize them for the poor choices made by Illinois Government. CPD is professional enough to avoid mistakes, though they can and will happen. To ridicule them is a complete waste of time. We all just have to pray and vote that when elections roll around again that the anti 2A politicians are voted out and some new blood with common sense will be voted in. Just my two bits.

I'm sorry if my satire didn't come through. I mean no disrespect towards the officers that have to work under some the BS regs that Chicago thinks are good governance. My attempt was to look at a possible scenario that the socialist libs in this country would love to see.
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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 02:38:12 PM »



I saw a video some where of a reenactment of that, apparently the Cops muzzle flashes were reflecting off the door which reinforced the idea that he had drawn a weapon and opened fire. But ya, where did the other 36 rounds go ? Also, He was a stationary target in a tenement hall way, very close range, how many citizens will get mowed down when they start blasting at MOVING targets more than 10 yards away ?
Tom, I was going through Armed Guard training when the defense team asked my Instructor to help make that video and was asked if I would be willing to help recreate the shooting for them. I agreed after being given some of the information about the case that the media didn't report. Diallo understood english well enough to sell bootleg versions of movies on VHS tapes. He was also a dead ringer for a rapist that had attacked a number of young girls in that neighborhood. That is what got the officers attention.He didn't comply with the officers instructions and made a furtive move towards the officers.Also not reported was the fact that the Officers performed CPR on him until the EMTs got there trying to save his life. The NYPD has a poor training program for firearms, when ever there is a budget crunch the first thing they cut is training. Can't blame the street officers for that.
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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 02:45:35 PM »
So, NYC with quite possible the largest PD in the country and maybe the world, has people that are poorly trained in proper use of a firearm?

Go Bloomberg!

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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 02:54:25 PM »
Tom, I was going through Armed Guard training when the defense team asked my Instructor to help make that video and was asked if I would be willing to help recreate the shooting for them. I agreed after being given some of the information about the case that the media didn't report. Diallo understood english well enough to sell bootleg versions of movies on VHS tapes. He was also a dead ringer for a rapist that had attacked a number of young girls in that neighborhood. That is what got the officers attention.He didn't comply with the officers instructions and made a furtive move towards the officers.Also not reported was the fact that the Officers performed CPR on him until the EMTs got there trying to save his life. The NYPD has a poor training program for firearms, when ever there is a budget crunch the first thing they cut is training. Can't blame the street officers for that.
I'm not blaming the officers for shooting the guy as it seems there was no ill intent and I don't know enough to say whether it was negligent or not. I'm willing to file it under the stuff happens category. My problem is with the 36 off target rounds that could have killed God knows who. If you unloaded your Glock, say 16 rounds, don't you think the DA, even if he might justify the shoot, wouldn't hit you for negligence in NY? Cops get a break. Why? They are trained. By who? Even if the guy was the devil incarnate, it wouldn't help if your kid got shot when a round went through the dry wall. The cops are there to protect and serve, not be a menace because they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Blame the brass for poor training, I don'tcare. All I know is that if I lived in that building I'd be nine kinds of pissed, and it would have nothig to do with Mr. Diallo's guilt or innocence.
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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 03:13:04 PM »
So you want to be a member of the CPD?

Read this blog: http://www.secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

I'd wonder if it was worth it. Two years and no contract, way too much iBS from Short Shanks and stuck in the middle of the culture of public corruption.

It almost make New Orleans look good.

Ok that's a bit tooo far.

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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 03:54:44 PM »
Tom, My point was that if the officers don't get the training these things will happen and when it does the first ones to get blamed will be the officers, not the city/administration that cut their training.I didn't mean to infer that you were blaming the officers.
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The problem with society today is that not enough of us drink wine from our enemies skulls”.

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Re: Chicago police to be allow to shoot at fleeing cars.
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2009, 04:14:18 PM »
Remember Amdou Diallo?(sic) He was the innocent guy gunned down when he offered NYPD his wallet. He was shot five times. That's bad enough. Problem was, the officers fired 41 times. Where did those bullets go? Unless the cops get magic bullets that vanish if they dont hit the bad guy, I think the Chicago PD is going to regret this sooner rather than later. It's not just the collateral damage either. It will tarnish the rep of every cop in the city when some idiot shoots a little old lady crossing the street.
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