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N-R-A * FALLS * SHORT
« on: August 01, 2009, 04:33:38 PM »
It's not the NRA, it is you and I.  We are the NRA.  There is a lot of trash talk out there about the NRA, but most of it is done by people as an excuse who do not belong to any 2nd Ammendment defender....i.e., people who are looking for a reason to avoid joining and who belong to nothing.  That's not so true with most on this board.

WE ARE THE NRA.  AS A NATION, SHAME ON US AS SHOOTERS AND HUNTERS IF THEY FAIL.  GET THE WORD OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FUDD BUDDIES.  ESPECIALLY THE FUDDS.

WE MUST PUNISH THESE POLITICIANS AT THE VOTING BOOTH WHO ARE NAMED AS SOTOMAYOR SUPPORTERS IN THE ARTICLE BELOW.

IF THE NRA FAILS, WE ALL FAIL.

IF WE FAIL, WE FAIL FOREVER.  LOOK AT ENGLAND, AUSTRAILIA, CANADA AND OTHERS.  TIMES ARE TOUGH BUT IT IS TIME TO DO MORE THAN TALK, WE MUST WRITE LETTERS, CALL OUR FRIENDS, DONATE OUR TIME TO SUPPORT ALL 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS.

IT ONLY GETS TOUGHER FROM HERE TO THE NEXT ELECTION, COWBOY UP EVERYONE.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090801/ap_on_go_su_co/us_sotomayor_nra

NRA falls short in bid to block Sotomayor
  
Judiciary panel approves Sotomayor AP By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer – 17 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states and some Republicans who are breaking with their party to support her.

The gun rights group is used to getting its way by spooking lawmakers about the political consequences of defying its wishes. But it never before has weighed in on a Supreme Court confirmation battle. It was cautious about breaking that pattern, and it looks like a losing a fight to defeat President Barack Obama's first pick for the court.

Sotomayor is expected to easily win confirmation in a vote this coming week that could deflate the long-accepted truism in Washington that you don't cross the NRA.

Voting "yes" will include A-plus-rated and NRA-endorsed Democratic Sen. Max Baucus and his fellow Montanan, A-rated Sen. Jon Tester, as well as A-rated and NRA-endorsed Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, the only GOP leader to break with the rest of this party to back Sotomayor.
That's not to say that the NRA's late decision to wade in hasn't had an impact.

Many Republicans who were considered possible "yes" votes for Sotomayor — including Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, Georgia Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, and Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison — have come out against her after the NRA's announcement, citing gun rights concerns as an important reason.

Some Democrats who have high NRA ratings, including Alaska Sen. Mark Begich and Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, are on the fence.


Still, the NRA's threats seem to hold less potency on this vote. Asked whether he was worried about ruining his perfect NRA score and endorsement by opting to vote for Sotomayor, Nelson paused and said with a smile, "I'd probably have a good rating regardless."
The NRA derives much of its considerable clout from what has become a kind of mantra on Capitol Hill: Defy the gun lobby on something it cares about and face recriminations at the polls; back it and enjoy a substantial political boost.

It's something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Lawmakers generally are terrified to test it, and the NRA is politically savvy about which issues it takes on. Its won-loss record adds to its reputation as untouchable.

So why would the gun lobby risk undercutting its clout by stepping into this Supreme Court debate?

GOP leaders, particularly Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate's top Republican, helped forced the group's hand.

At the conclusion of the Senate Judiciary Committee's confirmation hearing for Sotomayor two weeks ago, the NRA came out in opposition to her, calling her "hostile" to the Second Amendment right to bear arms. But it stopped short of saying it would include the vote on her confirmation in its political ratings.

In a later meeting on Capitol Hill with Republican senators and conservative activists, McConnell asked if the group planned to "score" the confirmation vote. The NRA was noncommittal.

Accounts of the meeting vary, and McConnell's aides deny that he leaned on the NRA to rate the Sotomayor vote. But others present or briefed later on the session said it was clear that McConnell and other leaders wanted the NRA's scorekeeping.

"The Republican leadership reminded them that if they don't care about judges, they should," said Curt Levey of the conservative Committee for Justice. "For 130 years, the NRA could be effective by focusing on legislation, but now, after last year's Supreme Court decision in Heller, this issue is in the courts — pretty much like abortion was after Roe v. Wade."

In the Heller case, the Supreme Court last year struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban and held that individuals have a constitutional right to guns. But it was a narrow ruling that the court didn't apply to states' controls on guns.

The NRA says it sat on the fence for so long on Sotomayor because its leaders wanted to give her the opportunity to reassure gun rights supporters during her confirmation hearings about her views on the issue.

In her testimony, Sotomayor declined to call gun rights "fundamental" — meaning that they apply to states as well as the federal government — although she said she'd have an open mind on the issue if it came before the court.

As a federal appeals court judge, Sotomayor was part of a panel that ruled this year that the Second Amendment doesn't limit state controls on guns — only federal ones. That was in keeping with a 19th Century Supreme Court precedent and subsequent appellate court rulings.

"The simple fact is that as far as this nominee is concerned, she has a track record on Second Amendment issues, and it's one that is of great concern to us," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. "We wanted to give the nominee a chance to respond, but after four days of testimony, none of the concerns we had about Judge Sotomayor were dispelled — in fact, based on some of her responses, our concerns increased."

But by the time the NRA announced it would score her confirmation vote, several senators it rates highly had already come out in Sotomayor's favor, including Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sens. Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Mark Warner of Virginia.
In the days since, other senators have inquired privately as to how much they could hurt themselves by supporting Sotomayor, only to be given an ambiguous answer: It's too early to tell
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 04:39:28 PM »
If your Senator is on this list, please contact them and urge them to vote no for Sotomayor.

I hope that we (The NRA) launches a major campaign to replace all of the Republicans and Blue Dog Dems, that vote to confirm.  >:(
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2009, 04:45:27 PM »
Sen. Lindsey Graham, what a slug.  Makes me want to throw up in my own mouth.

That's good Kid, but our hopes need to be backed up with donations and signups.  To all who read this, and yes that means you too, if you have family members who are not with your choice of 2nd Ammendment supporting organization, then sign them up.  I prefer the NRA, anyone can prefer what they want, but send in new supporters and send in $'s.  Even 5 bucks every other month adds up.  Go the the NRA-ILA website and download their toolbar and search from it...they get paid for the searches...searches I've made have gotten them $15 this year.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2009, 04:54:01 PM »
If your Senator is on this list, please contact them and urge them to vote no for Sotomayor.

I hope that we (The NRA) launches a major campaign to replace all of the Republicans and Blue Dog Dems, that vote to confirm.  >:(
Thats too cut and dried Kid. I dont like her either, but its hard to vote no on a Court appointment unless they are incompetant and under quailified or way too political, likeBork. She comes damn close on both couts. Enough so that I wold vote no, but a lot of Senators of both parties will say that the electorate has spoken and without a damn good reason (for cause), the president gets his nominee. Agree or don't that's been the tradition and there is a reason or it. If every nominee got dinged for ideology, the government would't function.. Hell  Pappy Bush  got Thomas and W got Alito. The only time I can remember a President being told No in the last 20 years, was W on Harriet Myers and there were a lot of Republicans telling him no as well on that one.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 02:31:04 PM »
Thats too cut and dried Kid. I dont like her either, but its hard to vote no on a Court appointment unless they are incompetant and under quailified or way too political, likeBork. She comes damn close on both couts. Enough so that I wold vote no, but a lot of Senators of both parties will say that the electorate has spoken and without a damn good reason (for cause), the president gets his nominee. Agree or don't that's been the tradition and there is a reason or it. If every nominee got dinged for ideology, the government would't function.. Hell  Pappy Bush  got Thomas and W got Alito. The only time I can remember a President being told No in the last 20 years, was W on Harriet Myers and there were a lot of Republicans telling him no as well on that one.
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I have several damn good reasons. The fact that she is a poor judge that is frequently overruled is a big reason. My biggest reason to encourage everyone in our forum family to urge their Senators to vote against, is her stance on our 2A rights.
I have great respect for you FQ, but once again we must agree to disagree.


Please see this related thread for help in convincing your Senators:

Zogby poll - 83% believe in right to concealed carry
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 02:57:29 PM »
I have several damn good reasons. The fact that she is a poor judge that is frequently overruled is a big reason. My biggest reason to encourage everyone in our forum family to urge their Senators to vote against, is her stance on our 2A rights.
I have great respect for you FQ, but once again we must agree to disagree.


Please see this related thread for help in convincing your Senators:

Zogby poll - 83% believe in right to concealed carry
We don't really disagree kid. As I said, I'd vote agin' her. Its just that its a fine line, and one you don't step over for ideology. Both my senators, one for reasons of race, one for partisanship will confirm puts me out of the game, but good luck to those in other states.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 07:17:55 PM »
Thats too cut and dried Kid. I dont like her either, but its hard to vote no on a Court appointment unless they are incompetant and under quailified or way too political, likeBork. She comes damn close on both couts. Enough so that I wold vote no, but a lot of Senators of both parties will say that the electorate has spoken and without a damn good reason (for cause), the president gets his nominee. Agree or don't that's been the tradition and there is a reason or it. If every nominee got dinged for ideology, the government would't function.. Hell  Pappy Bush  got Thomas and W got Alito. The only time I can remember a President being told No in the last 20 years, was W on Harriet Myers and there were a lot of Republicans telling him no as well on that one.
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Actually, it is very easy for anyone with a pair and/or a spine. Just push the little NO button on the desk when your name is called. Very easy indeed.

She is manifestly unqualified, the overturn rate by the very body she is nominated to, and her willingness to use race and gender instead of the Constitution and the law as guides. That disqualifies her. Period.

And I said as much to my 2 dumbocrat senators. Fat lot of good that will do. One is up for re-election next year.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2009, 07:51:44 PM »
We don't really disagree kid. As I said, I'd vote agin' her. Its just that its a fine line, and one you don't step over for ideology. Both my senators, one for reasons of race, one for partisanship will confirm puts me out of the game, but good luck to those in other states.
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Certainly You DO vote based on ideology, if in the Senate, because if you agree to her as a Republican, that is THE definition of a RINO. The ones who vote NO even though perhaps outnumbered, are the only ones with a pair. The Dems ALWAYS play partisan games, but it's only frowned on when a true Repub does it.. Any who vote for her aren't worth a damn to those who value 2nd Amendment issues.

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 12:50:29 AM »
the simple fact that 4 of 6 of her rullings that went to the USSC, have been overtruned, is reason enough to vote no.

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 08:04:36 AM »
the simple fact that 4 of 6 of her rullings that went to the USSC, have been overtruned, is reason enough to vote no.



I hate to admit it, but I agree completely with TAB!  Some of you can understand the chest pains I'm having right now

You start with the side comments made by her and her supporters that this is all about being a female and a minority (which I don't think her race is really a minority anymore), and that that somehow gives her better insight and a special "gift."  The overturning of so many of her rulings shows that she is radical and out of touch with the founding fathers.
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