The Health Club shooting has antis going after CCW holders

[tombogan03884]

 Christians aren't oppressed ? What planet do YOU live on ?  A nation founded on Christian principles, that guarantees religious freedom, no longer allows even the mention of prayer in it's schools, Prohibits Nativity scenes on the town commons they were put on for decades, and considers Christians, not Muslims, to be "potential terrorists". I'd say that's pretty damned discriminatory !
Also, what you classify as "whining" is the refrain that our enumerated Constitutional rights are being infringed.

[fightingquaker13]

Christians aren't oppressed ? What planet do YOU live on ?  A nation founded on Christian principles, that guarantees religious freedom, no longer allows even the mention of prayer in it's schools, Prohibits Nativity scenes on the town commons they were put on for decades, and considers Christians, not Muslims, to be "potential terrorists". I'd say that's pretty damned discriminatory !
Also, what you classify as "whining" is the refrain that our enumerated Constitutional rights are being infringed.

Ok Tom
I had no idea that my posts would be so controversial. Yet I stand by what I've said and I think I've pretty much said what I have to say on this topic. I HATE Dr. Phil/Oprah Winfrey victimology as politics. As far as anti-Christian discrimination, I will say three things.
1 I am a Christistian. I don't hide it, dont apologize for it and anyone who's been on this board more than a week knows that.
2 I greatly oppose efforts to remove religious speech from the public square. Speech is speech, it should all be respected and protected.
3 I also do not believe in giving religious indoctrination to captive audiences. IE. reading a government approved prayer at the start of the school day. At a football game or a graduation cermony if its led by a student, great. A teacher tells me to bow my head and repeat after him, not so much.
This is not (or should not be) a difficult issue for reasonable folks to resolve, but oppression it ain't. Believe me, if Christians are being oppressed, rather than just annoyed by paranoid idiots, I'll let you know.
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[tombogan03884]

 We are having our Constitutional rights trampled, that is just as much oppression as slavery.

[ericire12]

Quaker -

I think you just need to find out who pissed in your corn flakes this morning and kick their ass! For some reason your anger today has just gotten you a little off kilter about which argument to use where and why.

Now as a little tongue in cheek example of why your argument that Christians are out there playing the victim card is wrong:

Consider if you will the good "reverend" Jessie Jackson, and my close spiritual adviser and long time friend the "reverend" Al Sharpton..... Now, dont you think that if there was any money to be made from playing the "Christians are victims card", these two race hustlers would be shaking down any and all people/corporations they could? And especially now that "The Man" is now.... well.... a black man, and by definition their job as arbiters of all racial injustices is now no longer needed. The answer is because, although you can very easily make the that Christians are discriminated against on a daily basis, Christians are just not of the victim mentality. 

But please remember that just because a certain demographic is experiencing success, it does not mean that they are not being discriminated against.

[fightingquaker13]

Quaker -

I think you just need to find out who pissed in your corn flakes this morning and kick their ass! For some reason your anger today has just gotten you a little off kilter about which argument to use where and why.

Now as a little tongue in cheek example of why your argument that Christians are out there playing the victim card is wrong:

Consider if you will the good "reverend" Jessie Jackson, and my close spiritual adviser and long time friend the "reverend" Al Sharpton..... Now, dont you think that if there was any money to be made from playing the "Christians are victims card", these two race hustlers would be shaking down any and all people/corporations they could? And especially now that "The Man" is now.... well.... a black man, and by definition their job as arbiters of all racial injustices is now no longer needed. The answer is because, although you can very easily make the that Christians are discriminated against on a daily basis, Christians are just not of the victim mentality. 

But please remember that just because a certain demographic is experiencing success, it does not mean that they are not being discriminated against.

Sorry if I came off pissed, I'm really not. I stand by (and the facts stand with me) the fact that Roberston and Jay Sekulow of The American Center For Law and Justice (again not a bad group), play the victim card to rally the troops. As far as Sharpton and Jackson, they are the one's that annoyed me to begin with. They peddle in guilt for power and profit. I don't want to go down that road even if it is tactically advantageous (and I dont think it is as those suceptibable to it don't like us) it is strageically a bad idea. Why? Because it weakens the rational basis of this Republic and reduces argument to sympathy. I really do feel strongly about this and if there is piss in my Cheerios thats where it comes from. You and Tom, I can argue and reason with. Onrecess wanted to phsychoanlyse us and maybe have a cathartic cry. Thats the difference. If I'm wrong, tell me why. I'll listen, but don't give me a sob story about your great whatever. I didn't do it, can't change it, and its not going to help the problem we have now. Thart's why I don't like victimology. It ends rational discourse and replaces it with emotion. Something impervious to reason and evidence. Just like racism and fanaticsm it is is anathema to a democratic republic for just that reason.
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