GUN!

[blackwolfe]

I live in Michigan.  I was rear ended by some gal at a red light after we both stopped because she was in such a hurry that she went faster than me when the light turned green.  It was during daylight hours and when the SD came up to my car I handed him my DL and carry permit.  I told him  "I have a permit to carry, but am not carring at this time".  He thanked me and went about his business of giving her a ticket.

I thought I was going to be pulled over a couple times recently as both times cops had turned around and followed me.  Both times they pulled up close and then backed off and continued to tail me.  Both times, I placed my wallet on the dash and opened the glove compartment  where the registration and proof of insurance were located.  I mentally told myself to inform the cop that I had a permit to carry, keep my hands on the wheel and to turn on the dome light.

I was riding my bicycle downtown and saw I cop I know with another.  I stopped and talked briefly with them and went on my way.  I later ran into the cop I know and he said he knew I had a carry permit as they "made" my weapon when I was on my bike.  That was scarry as my weapon was nothing more than my cell phone.  I have to double check the law, but I think any contact with a peace officer in MI requires discloser, which would include my bike contact had I been carriyng.  It would also include Consevation Officers.  I make it a point to disclose and inform that I have a permit even when not carrying.  I know many of the local cops and many more know who I am.  When they happen to be at the gas station the same time I am, do you disclose?  There has been a lot of discussion in local gun circles on this.

I'm not a lawyer, but to me it seems that disclosure may lead to you possible being cited for one of the many gun laws that are difficult to keep track of.  In a way it may be "confessing" your crime as the law says you must disclose.  This seems to me to be a violation of my fifth ammendment rights.  

The part about immediate disclousure worries me the most about the CC law in Michigan.  I would like to know in the case cited who made that decision.  I wonder if it was a judge, jury, magisrtate, or other court officer.  If not a jury, and an individual, I would bet they are antigun.  I think the cop was unreasonable for citing the person on this.  Some locals in MI are still not accepting of the shall issue law and have their panties twisted about it, especially elitist prosecutors and Detroit.  They try to make up their own rules and make limited and difficult office hours along with long unessessary delays.

I'll turn the bitch switch off now.

[blackwolfe]

True, or it's got a "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" mural on the side of the van and billowing smoke trailing behind!   

I don't think cops pull over people for a broken light but it does give them reasonable cause to stop for something more nefarious.

Oh yes they do and I see it happen often.  My local cops will stop you for it and do so on a regular basis.  It may be for nefarious reasons, but they love pulling kids and younger people over and "request" to search the car.  I come home from work about 1:30-2:00 a.m. everynight and some weekends.  Almost every night the locals are watching the main drag.  I see some one pulled over better than 50% of the time and about 50% of those times they are searching the car.  Our locals don't have much to do.

[Pathfinder]

It is the complete opposite here in ND from MI. I posted a while back that I had a conversation with a county deputy (a field training officer no less) about a traffic stop, and he stated very clearly that if I identified myself as having a CCW and was carrying he would secure me in cuffs and my gun in his possession before moving along with the ticket. All of the other deputies - including a Captain and 2 sergeants - agreed it was all about officer safety.

Opened my eyes, big time.

[Ping]

If you are a citizen, with a CCW permit, do not give yourself up. You do not have to. You are not the problem. Those that carry illegally are! Just be calm and patient. But I must say, answer honestly if a question is directed at you. I leave it up to you as to how you answer.

[TAB]

If you are a citizen, with a CCW permit, do not give yourself up. You do not have to. You are not the problem. Those that carry illegally are! Just be calm and patient. But I must say, answer honestly if a question is directed at you. I leave it up to you as to how you answer.

in many states( tx for example) you have to inform them by law, not doing so is a crime.  you will not pass go and you will not collect $200

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[tombogan03884]

True, or it's got a "Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" mural on the side of the van and billowing smoke trailing behind!   

I don't think cops pull over people for a broken light but it does give them reasonable cause to stop for something more nefarious.

Every time I change jobs or move I get stopped once. Usually for unprovable BS like "I thought you crossed the yellow line".
Second shift, they want to know who's out and why.

[tombogan03884]

If you are a citizen, with a CCW permit, do not give yourself up. You do not have to. You are not the problem. Those that carry illegally are! Just be calm and patient. But I must say, answer honestly if a question is directed at you. I leave it up to you as to how you answer.

I was going to post what TAB said, some states require it. Here in NH I don't have to tell any one anything, unless a cop specifically asks if I'm carrying and if I have a permit.

[Walter45Auto]

Yes, but you can still get stopped for something dumb like a tail light that burned out.

I was recently in a car stopped for that while I was carrying..... I'm SURE recognized the officer, Who did hold my Kel-Tec 380 during the stop, btw. I've seen the guy at my work. I can almost swear he's come up there to haul away thieves they've arrested at the truck stop where I work.