Something for the Quaker....

[Timothy]

Hell.....I trained my buddy Harley (see avatar) to stop pooping on the floor!  Maybe there's hope for FQ as well...

Just because he's an educator, doesn't mean he can't be re-educated!  

[fightingquaker13]

Laugh it up boys, but I still don't like Sarah. Have never been called a sexist, aside from here. And still don't like McCain-Feingold. If I had hindsight I would have voted for Barr (as much as I think he's a carpet bagger who would't know a libertarian from a fungo bat). I still wouldn't vote for McCain Feingold and Palin, sorry, never going to happen. Tom if you have a bat engraved, I might have to get out the dremel and do a little custom work on the AR. I'll remember there's only one G.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Laugh it up boys, but I still don't like Sarah. Have never been called a sexist, aside from here. And still don't like McCain-Feingold. If I had hindsight I would have voted for Barr (as much as I think he's a carpet bagger who would't know a libertarian from a fungo bat). I still wouldn't vote for McCain Feingold and Palin, sorry, never going to happen. Tom if you have a bat engraved, I might have to get out the dremel and do a little custom work on the AR. I'll remember there's only one G.
FQ13

Leave the RINO out of it FQ, he's old and most likely won't be around next time, and none of us LIKED him any way. But he had one HUGE advantage, He wasn't BO.
Stick to JUST Palin you have no legitimate beef with her except propaganda from a bunch of proven liars

[fightingquaker13]

Leave the RINO out of it FQ, he's old and most likely won't be around next time, and none of us LIKED him any way. But he had one HUGE advantage, He wasn't BO.
Stick to JUST Palin you have no legitimate beef with her except propaganda from a bunch of proven liars

Finally, we agree politically on an issuse other than the 2A and the war on some drugs. We both dislike McCain, who was at the TOP of the ticket. That's what matters. I don't think you'll find a single BO voter, even those who still drink the kool aide who will rave about how great Biden is. Even a lot of W voters were scared of Cheney. You don't vote based on the veep, whose only real job is to wake up, read the paper to see whether the President is dead, and then plan how to pack for which ever funeral they have to attend. I do not like Sarah. She is a tool of the religious right. She believes the state should be making choices about our personal lives, small government be damned . I will agree that the attacks on her family were out of line. Even BO said so when he responded to the attacks on Bristol by saying his own mother was an out of wed lock teenager as well. Love him or hate him, when a black man says when you talk about her you're talking about my momma, a wise man either shuts up or gets ready to fight.
This is all irrelevant. I am conservative on money and defense, and liberal on social issues. I believe that one of the qualifications for being President is a broad knowledge of history and international relations, or at least an intense curiosity about them. The reason is you don't learn from the mistakes of others you will make them yourself. Palin doesn't seem to have that. W, at his commencement speech at Yale, actually bragged on being a C student. My response, had I been one of the faculty sitting behind him, would have been "No shit. It shows". I dislike her policies, but that's just ideology, Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback and Bobby Jindall all have similar views. I respect them. Why? They don't have that smug "I'm a real American because I don't know stuff" attitude. Message to Sarah Palin. Americans DO respect knowledge. Its why good lawyers, doctors and mechanics do well. I don't want a president who is just like me. I want a president who is smarter than me. None of this has squat to do with BO, I am not defending him. I am merely saying that Palin will NEVER have my vote.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

It's getting tough discussing things with you, since you refuse to deal with statements you make when they are pointed out as flat-out wrong, and instead fall back on your "I'm a Libertarian!" screed. You're not a Libertarian, you only think you are, since that screed allows you all sorts of intellectual dishonesty.

And like good libs everywhere, your post all about me - me - ME!!!  You used the words "I" or "me" or "my" nearly 20 times in this one post.

Sorry for the length here folks, I have a point you can scroll to the end to see. As for the rest of your points . . .

Finally, we agree politically on an issuse other than the 2A and the war on some drugs. We both dislike McCain, who was at the TOP of the ticket. That's what matters. I don't think you'll find a single BO voter, even those who still drink the kool aide who will rave about how great Biden is. Point? ? ? Even a lot of W voters were scared of Cheney. Like who? Cheney probably gets a lot of respect here for one. At least he had huge amounts of executive and management experience compared to bho and biden combined. Besides, he was from Wyoming, a state full of real Libertarians. You don't vote based on the veep, whose only real job is to wake up, read the paper to see whether the President is dead, and then plan how to pack for which ever funeral they have to attend.

I do not like Sarah. That is obvious. You may need to teach your students by repeating the obvious; it gets old here.

She is a tool of the religious right. The left is well organized and funded. What is this "religious right" you speak of? Where is the same level of organization and funding in this so-called "religious right"? Or could it be that this is another of Alinskys Rule #12 at work, another uber-left term without meaning but which has become common in its usage? The fact that Christians tend to believe the same thing - as preached in the Bible - doesn't mean we are as well-funded or organized as move-on, AKORN, ANSWER or the other uber-left organizations. It just means we agree on some things

She believes the state should be making choices about our personal lives, small government be damned. Non-sequitor here. Besides, what choices? And assuming you can come up with 1 or 2, how is this any worse than what the state already decides for you, like where to spend your money (gummint first, whatever else is left, well, we'll get that eventually too), how fast to drive, how to run your business, how to educate your kids, etc.?

I will agree that the attacks on her family were out of line. Nice of you to agree - see next item

Even BO said so when he responded to the attacks on Bristol by saying his own mother was an out of wed lock teenager as well. Damning with faint praise - he would have appeared to be a real slug if he had not said something. Besides, he gains by appearing to be a stand-up guy, and would lose by remaining silent. Also possibly a back-handed slam at Palin with the use of those specific word - "out of wedlock teenager", knowing full well that would not play well with the so-called "religious right" - see below

Love him or hate him, when a black man says when you talk about her you're talking about my momma, a wise man either shuts up or gets ready to fight. And if a white man, or an Asian man, or an Indian man says it, it's no big deal, you can just ignore them? And BTW, bho is only about half black at most.

This is all irrelevant. I am conservative on money and defense, and liberal on social issues. Use of labels - "conservative" and "liberal" - that have largely become sign posts and not real descriptors. Would you pass a student who used these words in this manner?

I believe that one of the qualifications for being President is a broad knowledge of history and international relations, or at least an intense curiosity about them. and bho met this rule how? And yet you voted for him.

The reason is you don't learn from the mistakes of others you will make them yourself. Palin doesn't seem to have that. Completely unsupported statement. This is a woman who successfully took on the oil industry, and was successful in some measure in attacking the venal and petty (and sometimes grand) corruption within her state. bho just went along with the Chicago corruption and prospered from it

W, at his commencement speech at Yale, actually bragged on being a C student. Point being? Being honest is somehow wrong in your universe? Or perhaps being self-deprecating as in I can make it so can you is not valid?

My response, had I been one of the faculty sitting behind him, would have been "No shit. It shows". Another uber-left tactic - be rude, disrespectful, marginalize. You have been well taught, grasshopper!

I dislike her policies, but that's just ideology, Which policies? Or is this a throw-away statement as you move on very quickly to talk about other politicians?

Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback and Bobby Jindall all have similar views. I respect them. Why? They don't have that smug "I'm a real American because I don't know stuff" attitude. Again, she did not portray herself this way, this was used as a tactic of the uber-left fascists to destroy her - ala' the twit on SNL. People do believe Palin said I can see Russia from my porch when it was on SNL. Apparently you are one of the believers.

Message to Sarah Palin. Americans DO respect knowledge. Yes we do - and she didn't present herself in a way that would lead anyone to think otherwise. Your so-called "feminist" training has so thoroughly poisoned you that you cannot see that she is smart, accomplished and capable. Further, that same training has so thoroughly warped your perceptions that you do not see that your hatred of her is just the product of the uber-left's machinations against her - because they are so damned afraid of her. In their minds, she denies their very message, and so she must be destroyed. And she does deny their message soundly!

Its why good lawyers, doctors and mechanics do well. Well, maybe that, and maybe because they have so completely gamed the system that an average Joe can't win against them. Besides, doctors are respected, lawyers are tolerated, mechanics are mechanics. All are necessary.

I don't want a president who is just like me. I want a president who is smarter than me. Like J. Fred Muggs?  OK, admittedly a cheap shot. There is a difference between smart and crafty. bho isn't so much smart as he is crafty, well-trained - and funded. And no one has ever argued that klintoon was smart. Reagan was smart enough to know he didn't know everything, and surrounded himself with capable people. Johnson was crafty and devious. McNamara (not a president) was your typically over-educated smart guy and looked how he effed things up.

None of this has squat to do with BO, I am not defending him. I am merely saying that Palin will NEVER have my vote. We get it, Thanks. Move on. It still makes you an unrepentant anti-feminist sexist!
FQ13

Two more points:

1. Consider this - If your post can be so easily deconstructed as has been done here by someone with a little education (and a long time ago at that) and knowledge, you may want to go back and think over everything you think you understand, believe, and think, and then address why you understand, believe, and think these things. Your students may not be able to challenge you, but many here have overturned you on very specific grounds, grounds which you go on to ignore. Pay special attention to the references to Alinsky and how your conduct and statements play directly into his teachings. Is Alinsky an example of what a true Libertarian would do and believe? If not, perhaps you need to change your perceptions and approaches to things.

2. When you truly understand my last highlighted statement in the quote, you will begin - begin mind you - to understand how untenable your positions, understandings, beliefs, and thoughts are in the real world, not in academia.

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[fightingquaker13]

Path
I appreciate the time you put into your post. I take it as a sign of respect. I mean that. If you just thought I was a useless A@#hole, like onrecess  you would not have bothered. I thank you for that. I must add a couple of small points and then one large one. Point the first, calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial  instead. Second point,  the religious right is large and well funded, or maybe you failed to notice the Christian Coalition, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and James Dobson? This is a movement that seeks to marry church and state, has zero regard for small government and trends dangerously close to Dominion theology.  I do not like, trust or support it as a Christian, a Libertarian or an American. Please note I am not talking about conservative Christians in general, or even all members of the group, just it's leaders. Even they mean well, I just think that they confuse secular conservatism with Biblical Christianitity and drift dagerously close to theocracy. This is, if you understand the Dominion theology reference a larger debate than we can take up here, but if you want to address it elsewhere I would be happy to. Finally, my larger point is that Palin just rubs me the wrong way.This isn't about sexism. I disagree with her social policies, don't like her attitude, and am less than impressed with her resigning from office before the end of her term. Period. Full stop. Why does this get folks so POd? Honestly, there is not a one of us who hasn't met a politician that for one reason or another we just don't like. I don't like Palin Sam I Am.
Peace
FQ13

[Walkeraviator]

OMG i cant believe I am about to say this.  I agree with Quaker... I know I know I must be crazy.  BUt Sarah Palin was the wrong choice..  She is a wonderful woman, conservative, well spoken (although annoying in accent), and a good leader.  But she was toatlly uneducated on current events and wrold politics (not her fault, the GOP should have taken her aside and educated her before turning her loose among teh media).  I hate the liberal media as much as anyone else, but they didnt have to try hard to make her look dumb... I give her this... If she spends her time she now has off studying foreign poicy, history, current affairs, etc...then maybe she may get my respect.. pure leadership ability is not enough to run a country.  

With that said, I did indeed vote for McCain, because choosing a "possible moron"(ie McCain assassinated) is better than voting for the guaranteed moron in office..

And as for teh well funded Christian Movement, he is again right.  I am a God Fearing Southern Baptist, and even though my friends give me hell for it, I say Falwell went to far on more than one occasion, and the whole "Moral Majority" continues to try and forse Christianity on government... Conservativism and Chritianity are not interchangeable in my view, although Fox News would lead you to believe that.

Please forgive my awful typing...spent too much time playin outside as a kid...never had formal typing classes...so this is what you get.

[Magnum]

Tom you are absolutely correct.  Of the four people at the top of each party's ticket, there was only one who had ANY kind of executive experience.  Governmental Executive experience.  And Chief Governmental Executive experience.  That person was one that I found as a breath of fresh air.  Rather than being a pontificating, over-educated, arrogant windbag, I found her to be someone that reminded me of the kind of people who BUILT this country.  Average, everyday, hard-working Americans.  She reminded me of the American "Everywife". 

I admired her then for the grace she displayed when the democrats and their willing whores in the mainstream media eviscerated her AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY, almost from the moment her name was announced as McCain's VP choice.  Every time I heard Governor Palin speak she impressed me a little bit more. 

As far as her resigning before the end of her term, I can't help but think that was primarily designed to keep the state of Alaska from continuing to have to fund the never-ending stream of baseless corruption allegations that those on the left started filing the moment she came to light on the national stage, in an attempt to destroy her.  Those allegations, all of which, I believe, have been found to be without merit, continued right up until the day she left office.  The scorched-earth approach of the people that FQ supported in the last election is appalling to me.  Especially when aimed toward a candidate's family.

Let me wrap up this little rant by saying that I am delighted that Governor Palin has yet to remove herself from the public debate.  I fervently hope to be able to cast my vote for her to replace the debacle that YOU, FQ, and those of your ilk, foisted upon this country last November.

Truth be told I had intended to sit out the last Presidential election rather than vote for a RINO like McCain.  But when Palin was added to the ticket I made the decision (for which I have NO buyer's remorse) to vote for HER, and accept McCain as baggage.

EXACTLY the same reasons I voted for her also. Well Said. 

PATHFINDER, Very precise and articulate post. Well Done. 

[Magnum]

Oops, sorry for my typo above. I didn't mean to include my comments in the above quote. 

[tt11758]

Path
I appreciate the time you put into your post. I take it as a sign of respect. I mean that. If you just thought I was a useless A@#hole, like onrecess  you would not have bothered. I thank you for that. I must add a couple of small points and then one large one. Point the first, calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial  instead. Second point,  the religious right is large and well funded, or maybe you failed to notice the Christian Coalition, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and James Dobson? This is a movement that seeks to marry church and state, has zero regard for small government and trends dangerously close to Dominion theology.  I do not like, trust or support it as a Christian, a Libertarian or an American. Please note I am not talking about conservative Christians in general, or even all members of the group, just it's leaders. Even they mean well, I just think that they confuse secular conservatism with Biblical Christianitity and drift dagerously close to theocracy. This is, if you understand the Dominion theology reference a larger debate than we can take up here, but if you want to address it elsewhere I would be happy to. Finally, my larger point is that Palin just rubs me the wrong way.This isn't about sexism. I disagree with her social policies, don't like her attitude, and am less than impressed with her resigning from office before the end of her term. Period. Full stop. Why does this get folks so POd? Honestly, there is not a one of us who hasn't met a politician that for one reason or another we just don't like. I don't like Palin Sam I Am.
Peace
FQ13

So if I understand you correctly, your dislike of Governor Palin is more on personality than position (for lack of a better term)?  Hell, I can respect that.  Everybody has people that simply rub them the wrong way.  Where you may be going wrong, at least in the views of many here, is in degrading her based upon the fact that you dislike her personality.  The fact remains that she was better qualified for an executive position than any of the other 3 at the tops of either of the major party tickets.  Let's be honest, any HR person worth a damn would've laughed Obama out of their office had he come in applying for a CEO position.  Yet he managed to convince a sufficient number of people that he was the best for the job.  And, of course, he did that by running a successful campaign against a candidate whose name didn't appear on the ballot.  I give Barry credit for managing to pull off such a scam, but I still believe the country is the worse for it.  Time will show us how much the worse.

And you are correct, FQ, if we thought that you were simply an a-hole we wouldn't be spending so much time trying to "educate" you.  We actually like you, although some days you don't make that all that easy to do. 

As I mentioned above, I agree with you completely on disliking some people just because you dislike them.  I remember when I was in college Senator (then CONGRESSMAN) Tom Harkin visited the campus.  After shaking hands with him I felt like I needed a shower.  I remember him doing his level best to try and get me to change my voter registration to the district that he represented, instead of casting an absentee ballot in my home district.  I think what caused HIM to dislike ME (something that carries over to this day, I might add) was my reply that I didn't think he really wanted me to change registration, since that would mean one more vote for his opponent.

The man simply has no sense of humor.